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Valentine
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I believe I mentioned it before, but my fox is a re-home. No money was exchanged, so it was a legal exchange. But, the person who bought the fox gave me unsigned paperwork. The breeder (ugh, Evel Keel) didn't give her signed paperwork and said he only keeps signed paperwork. She tried contacting him again to get signed paperwork, but he never responded. Sadly, I don't know how to get around this... They're legal in Michigan and don't require permitting like native foxes. But question; is there anyway around this? Does it even matter? Also, what type of USDA permit would allow me to take un-releasables? And would a USDA permit allow me to take animals with no proof of purchase?

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Topic starter Posted : January 31, 2020 2:20 pm
TamanduaGirl
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I don't think it should matter if the paper work is signed, though I don't know why they wouldn't have signed it. Assuming they actually keep the records, which they legally need to, then if something comes up it can be checked and proven the fox came from the breeder to the people you got it from, who hopefully you have some sort of paper work from them saying they gave you the fox for free?

As for keeping one from the wild that would be up to your state's wildlife department but usually there are some requirements for a rehab permit, and may or may not allow keeping if they can't be released, but it's a state thing not USDA.

USDA requires you keep records of where the animals come from and that you get them legally. So as a USDA licensee you can not buy a fox or other exotic from someone not USDA as the purchase would be illegal. If you got it for free then it would be legal but they may check up on the matter if they have any suspicions. Aurora's circumstance was a bit unusual so my inspector took all the information and said he'd double check it was all legal.

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Posted : January 31, 2020 10:48 pm
Valentine
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@tamanduagirl

  • Ok, that makes sense. I have no idea why he didn't give signed paperwork, he's kind of a screwball. He said he keeps the signed ones. Her and I have debated on whether we should get a contract stating she gave him to me for free. I know her and she's down the road where I volunteer. She'd speak up if something were to arise. I've had a few stumbles with neighbors calling me asking if the foxes were legal, but we've resolved that. I just never want to be in a legal predicament. The one vet told me I couldn't have him because I didn't buy him. Others never asked for paperwork, just like a dog. 
  • And OK. For some reason I thought USDA and keeping wildlife were connected. 
  • And that all makes sense. Now, are there different USDA licenses? Like A B C class? Ive tried looking at USDA website, and never can figure it out. Let's just say I want a permit to breed and exhibit my animals; is there a specific "class" licence for that? If so, where can I find that?
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Topic starter Posted : February 5, 2020 8:22 pm
TamanduaGirl
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It's always better to have signed papers even if it's a good friend. Like maybe something happens to her(hopefully not but you never know) or she's away on a trip when suddenly you need proof. So it's not about trust but just having all bases covered, just in case.

USDA doesn't license pets but some states exempt USDA licensed owners from ownership bans so that is where the confusion comes from. USDA does not want people getting licensed just to get around pet bans and will check to make sure you are doing the licensed activity.

It's USDA APHIS specifically for exotic animal licenses. They have a, b, and c. Breeder, broker, and exhibitor. Officially you can do all 3 under any of them but get the license for the one you do the most or the one that makes you the most money. I say officially because sometimes inspectors will do things a bit differently and unless it's something worth fighting about easier to just go along. Like mine said he would want me to switch to breeder rather than exhibitor if we ever had more than a rare successful mating, since the regulations are a bit different and he'd want me following the breeder regs for the animal's sake had we done that regularly.

So if you want to exhibit your foxes you would need the USDA class C. You can read all the info online or order an application packet. Once you actually apply the first inspection is scheduled and the rest once you are approved will be unannounced.

Has links on the bottom for info including the regulations you need to follow(the blue book)
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/animalwelfare/awa

Has more links including the link for requesting a packet.
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/animalwelfare/ct_awa_regulated_businesses

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Posted : February 5, 2020 9:02 pm
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