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TamanduaGirl
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That quote is actually pretty bad. There is no ash in the poop. "ash" listed in food is what is left after they take some of the food and burn it. Your animal is not eating or pooping ash. Ash as minerals is used by the body. Anything unused gets pooped out. It is because of the bone that they get white poop.

The smaller and firmer part is true. The more the body can extract and use the less will be left to poop out.

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Posted : September 23, 2012 7:40 pm
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It is because of the bone that they get white poop

actually, that is exactly what the vet told me.

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Posted : September 23, 2012 7:47 pm
Viltor
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I have been wondering about doing enclosures a little differently. Would having the bottom mesh about 2-4 feet down, with a large chunk of sand then a layer of normal soil with grass growing naturally work for them? Or would the sand cause them too much issues with it not really being burrowing material?

I was thinking sand for draining purposes, and letting natural grass grow instead of hay/wood/ect?
I assume this doesnt work for some reason, as everyone uses hay/wood chips, ect, but why doesnt this work?

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Posted : September 24, 2012 12:11 am
TamanduaGirl
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The grass will all die.

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Posted : September 24, 2012 12:28 am
Viltor
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why in particular? Urine? Digging? extreme travel? I would think bermuda grass would be ok with the travel due to its durability. What causes its extinction?

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Posted : September 24, 2012 12:37 am
natashaami777
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Elina- I live near Durham, I don't mind sharing information Smile I live in a town called Hartlepool.

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Topic starter Posted : September 24, 2012 5:21 am
natashaami777
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Elina does that breeder from down south courier? Also how much does a red fox kit go for?

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Topic starter Posted : September 24, 2012 5:54 am
Elina
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Haha I have been there! One of my friends went to Durham university and lives in Hartlepool (if that's where the power station is? I could be being blonde).

Dave from Park Exotics does deliver, my friend Andy kidnaps my partners Prius and he delivers and a woman down in Portsmouth does too I believe. Out of them I think it's only Andy who has red red's.

V.Vulpes kits vary in price from £175 - £500 approx, it depends how on the breeder really. Andy and Dave have the best prices, Andy normally being cheaper but that could just be because he's my friend but it all depends if his breed.

That quote is actually pretty bad. There is no ash in the poop. "ash" listed in food is what is left after they take some of the food and burn it. Your animal is not eating or pooping ash. Ash as minerals is used by the body. Anything unused gets pooped out. It is because of the bone that they get white poop.

The smaller and firmer part is true. The more the body can extract and use the less will be left to poop out.

I was thinking there's no ash in poop, well depending on the diet but the quote is from one of the better known "BARF" websites so I didn't wan't to try to contradict it. Keep forgetting I am not on one of the UK forums where you get slated if you contradict anything .

why in particular? Urine? Digging? extreme travel? I would think bermuda grass would be ok with the travel due to its durability. What causes its extinction?

Pam on here has grass in part of Pooka's enclosure with mesh over the top and it is fine but Pooka has his enclosure split into parts with different sub-strait so there are places he can dig. If you did that I could see it working.

Sand is not very good if they decide that they will use that as a litter tray, it does not always drain, sometimes the urine will just pool in it and then due to the weight it is tricky to change.


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Posted : September 24, 2012 11:47 am
natashaami777
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Haha I have been there! One of my friends went to Durham university and lives in Hartlepool (if that's where the power station is? I could be being blonde).

Dave from Park Exotics does deliver, my friend Andy kidnaps my partners Prius and he delivers and a woman down in Portsmouth does too I believe. Out of them I think it's only Andy who has red red's.

V.Vulpes kits vary in price from £175 - £500 approx, it depends how on the breeder really. Andy and Dave have the best prices, Andy normally being cheaper but that could just be because he's my friend but it all depends if his breed.

Yeah that's where the power station is :p It's the other side of the town I live in though :).

Do you have a link to the website/page of the breeder? I contacted Park Exotics- No reply back yet but there is plenty of time for that.

I've priced up the enclosure and stuff like that just need to price up the chainlink panels for the top and bottom..I was thinking this : http://www.dogrunpanels.co.uk/lucky-dog ... 0-x-6.html

I was also looking into getting one of these : http://www.dogrunpanels.co.uk/dog-kennel-insulated-cabin.html

How much are normal rate prices for the kits? Someone offered me a wild caught one but refused of course. I'd rather get a captive bred one.

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Topic starter Posted : September 24, 2012 12:14 pm
Elina
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Andy does not have a website, he does not normally deal with the public but I always tell him when I know of people who want kits.

With the run you will want to be careful as around the doors of those there is about a 2-3 inch gap which a fox can easily get through. That is why I don't use those. You will find at the moment as 99% of quarantines are closing down that you can get some really good panels for cheep on Ebay. (Yay for the pet passport hehe).

This is where I got mine: http://www.reeveskennels.co.uk/animal_housing.php
It cost an arm and a leg but as they supplied most of the quarantines with their runs you can look at the stuff on there and search e-bay. I mean take a look at this bargain: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Galvanised-do ... 2c6870d726

The 'normal' cost of a kit is anywhere between those two numbers I said. It just depends on the year, how many are available and the demand. I charge the same every year for my fennec kits but I don't yet breed V. Vulpes. Another variable that most people have over here is that they are brokers and not breeders so it also depends how much they are paying.


http://theflashmans.blogspot.com/ - Online home of Elspeth and Harry Flashman the Corsac foxes.
http://flashmanfoxes.webs.com - Photos and videos of my foxlings!

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Posted : September 24, 2012 1:13 pm
natashaami777
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Andy does not have a website, he does not normally deal with the public but I always tell him when I know of people who want kits.

With the run you will want to be careful as around the doors of those there is about a 2-3 inch gap which a fox can easily get through. That is why I don't use those. You will find at the moment as 99% of quarantines are closing down that you can get some really good panels for cheep on Ebay. (Yay for the pet passport hehe).

This is where I got mine: http://www.reeveskennels.co.uk/animal_housing.php
It cost an arm and a leg but as they supplied most of the quarantines with their runs you can look at the stuff on there and search e-bay. I mean take a look at this bargain: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Galvanised-do ... 2c6870d726

The 'normal' cost of a kit is anywhere between those two numbers I said. It just depends on the year, how many are available and the demand. I charge the same every year for my fennec kits but I don't yet breed V. Vulpes. Another variable that most people have over here is that they are brokers and not breeders so it also depends how much they are paying.

As I said before it won't be until next year/ the year after til I look properly into actually buying one as I need an outdoor enclosure for my ferrets first and everything and learn more and more about red foxes. At the minute I've only just started reading up about owning one but always wanted one.

I'll also need a XXL dog crate for when it's young but they are easy and cheap to pick up.Would I be able to use them one's on the website? As they are part wood and I've heard foxes like to chew and they are also raised a tiny bit off the floor so I don't know how it would work with the bottom because of the digging.

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Topic starter Posted : September 24, 2012 4:24 pm
Elina
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If you mean the kennel then yes that is fine for in an outside enclosure. I have one quite like that for Sapphire:

Sapphire's outside house within a house 013 by Flashman foxes, on Flickr


http://theflashmans.blogspot.com/ - Online home of Elspeth and Harry Flashman the Corsac foxes.
http://flashmanfoxes.webs.com - Photos and videos of my foxlings!

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Posted : September 24, 2012 4:42 pm
natashaami777
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I meant the part fence part wood runs in that link you gave me Smile But I was going to buy one of them dog cabins too, insulated of course for the winter :D.

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Topic starter Posted : September 24, 2012 4:59 pm
Viltor
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Ive started thinking too deeply about how to engineer an awesome run for a fox, including underground tunnels to enter the house, heated and cooled mini homes, self replenishing water systems, ect.

I need to be more realistic, as I know I wont have that kind of money to blow on them lmao...

Still, the engineer in me wants to try.

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Posted : September 24, 2012 5:28 pm
Elina
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I meant the part fence part wood runs in that link you gave me Smile But I was going to buy one of them dog cabins too, insulated of course for the winter :D.

Oh the enclosures that are part shed? If so then yes, those work but you have to tell them you don't want the bars on the panels for the run and instead you want the 'puppy' panels I think they call them.


http://theflashmans.blogspot.com/ - Online home of Elspeth and Harry Flashman the Corsac foxes.
http://flashmanfoxes.webs.com - Photos and videos of my foxlings!

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Posted : September 24, 2012 8:53 pm
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