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Honestly, I was just bored and decided to look up breeds of dog that either have known ancestry of wild canids being bred into them or rumored ancestry. I've seperated them into one of 4 categories: Breeds with Known Wolf Ancesty or Breeds with Known Ancestry from Other Wild Canids and also Breeds with Rumored Wolf Ancestry or Breeds with Rumored Wild Canid Ancestry (Excluding Wolves).

Breeds with Known Wolf Ancestry
Czechoslovakian Wolfdog (Or Czech Wolfdog for short)

The Czechoslovakian Wolfdog,[1](sk. Československý vlčiak, cz. Československý vlčák) is a relatively new dog breed that traces its original lineage to an experiment conducted in 1955 in Czechoslovakia. After initially breeding working line German Shepherd Dogs with Carpathian wolves (Canis lupus lupus), a plan was worked out to create a breed that would have the temperament, pack mentality, and trainability of the German Shepherd Dog and the strength, physical build, and stamina of the Carpathian wolf.

The breed was engineered as attack dogs for use in military Special Operations done by the Czechoslovak Special Forces commandos but were later also used in search and rescue, schutzhund, tracking, herding, agility, obedience, hunting, and drafting in Europe and the United States. It was officially recognized as a national breed in Czechoslovakia in 1982. Officially recognized as a breed by FCI in 1989.

The Czechoslovakian Wolfdog is more versatile than specialized. It is quick, lively, very active, and courageous. Distinct from the character of the Saarloos Wolfhound, shyness is a disqualifying fault in the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog.

The Czechoslovakian Wolfdog develops a very strong social relationship - not only with their owner, but with the whole family. It can easily learn to live with other domestic animals which belong to the family; however, difficulties can occur in encounters with strange animals. It is vital to subdue the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog's passion for hunting when they are puppies to avoid aggressive behavior towards smaller animals as an adult. The puppy should never be isolated in the kennel; it must be socialized and get used to different surroundings. Female Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs tend to be more easily controllable, but both genders often experience a stormy adolescence.

The Czechoslovakian Wolfdog is very playful, temperamental, and learns easily. However, it does not train spontaneously, the behavior of the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog is strictly purposeful - it is necessary to find motivation for training. The most frequent cause of failure is usually the fact that the dog is tired out with long useless repetitions of the same exercise, which results in the loss of motivation. These dogs have admirable senses and are very good at following trails. They are very independent and can cooperate in the pack with a special purposefulness. If required, they can easily shift their activity to the night hours. Sometimes problems can occur during their training when barking is required. Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs have a much wider range of means of expressing themselves and barking is unnatural for them; they try to communicate with their masters in other ways (mainly through body language, but also with quiet noises such as growls, grunts, and whining). Generally, teaching the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog stable and reliable performance takes a bit longer than teaching traditional specialized breeds. The Czechoslovakian Wolfdog has been successfully employed as a Search And Rescue (SAR) dog in Italy, although, admittedly, handling one requires much more work than other breeds.

Saarloos Wolfhond (Sarloos Wolfdog)

The Saarloos wolfdog, or Saarloos wolfhound (Dutch: Saarlooswolfhond) is an established breed of dog originating from wolfdog hybrid crosses.

In 1935, Dutch breeder Leendert Saarloos (1884–1969) started cross-breeding a German Shepherd male to a female European wolf (Canis lupus lupus) which he obtained from Diergaarde Blijdorp, the Rotterdam Zoo. Although he was passionate about the German Shepherd, he found most dogs to be too domesticated and wanted to breed in more natural properties in order to get better working dogs.[1] The result wasn't entirely what Saarloos had hoped for. This breed is cautious, reserved and lacks the ferocity to attack. Until Leendert Saarloos died in 1969, he was in full control over the breeding of his "European wolfdog". The Dutch Kennel Club recognized the breed in 1975. To honour its creator they changed the name to "Saarloos Wolfdog". In 1981 the breed was recognized by the Fédération Cynologique Internationale (FCI). In the past, some Saarloos wolfdogs were trained as guide dogs for the blind and as rescue dogs, but most dogs of this breed are currently kept as family dogs.

In 2015, a study found that the Saarloos wolfdog showed more genetic association with the gray wolf than any other breed, which is in agreement with the documented historical crossbreeding with gray wolves in this breed.[2]

Kunming Dog (Kunming Wolfdog)

The Kunming wolfdog (Chinese: 昆明狼狗; pinyin: Kūnmíng lánggǒu), also commonly known as the Kunming dog (Chinese: 昆明犬; pinyin: Kūnmíng quǎn)[1] is an established breed of wolfdog originated in China.[2] They have been trained as military assistant dogs to perform a variety of tasks such as detecting mines. Some are also trained to be fire dogs and rescue dogs.[3] Today they are commonly kept as family companions by many pet owners in China.

Kunming wolfdogs are typically medium-sized dog who fall under the spitz type category. Their height is 25–27 inches (64–68 cm) and weight is 66–84 pounds (30–38 kg). The head and body of the Kunming wolfdogs are similar in appearance to the German Shepherd except they stand taller in the back. They have seasonal coats that grow into a double layered coat during the late fall to the early winter but will later on shed into a shorter coat during the late spring. The tail is long like their German Shepherd cousins. Kunming wolfdogs occasionally lift their tails curled high when excited but they often carry it lower behind their back like their wolf ancestors do. Coats are marked with a black saddle and muzzle, with other colors ranging from light straw to deep rust.[4]

Kunming wolfdogs share similar behavioural traits to their German Shepherd ancestors. They are extremely intelligent, normally self-assured and are marked by their curiosity and willingness to learn which allows them to excel in task training.[5] However, they are also highly active and require a lot of activities and ideally one long walk per day in order to keep them occupied. Like German Shepherds, Kunming wolfdogs are suitable to have around children when properly trained and supervised.

Most of the exact dog breeds used in the gene pool for the Kunming wolfdogs is ambiguous due to the lack of proper pedigrees and the fact that a majority of them were crossbreeds although the German Shepherd and some wolfdog crosses are known to play a huge part in the breed's origin. The Kunming wolfdog was created in the early 1950s to meet the need for military dogs in Yunnan.[6] A group of ten shepherd type dogs mixed with unknown breeds were brought to Kunming from a military K9 training program in Beijing in 1953. These ten dogs were insufficient for the immediate need, and so fifty suitable household dogs from Kunming were recruited as well as forty similar dogs from the city of Guiyang in Guizhou province (like the first ten, the exact breeds of these dogs are unknown other than that they were crossbreeds). After training, the best twenty of these ninety dogs were then selected. Ten wolfdogs bred in Beijing, twenty 'civil dogs' plus an additional ten 'shepherd dogs' imported from East Germany were added to the pool from which the Kunming Dog was developed. The Chinese Public Security Bureau officially recognized the Kunming Dog as a breed in 1988.[7] Kunming Dogs are used by the Chinese military and police, and have also found their way into use as civilian watchdogs and guard dogs.

American Tundra Shepherd

This breed is the result of a government experiment in the late 60’s.

It was believed that crossing a wolf with a German shepherd would produce a superior stock, combining the strength, higher intelligence, greater stamina, better eyesight, hearing and nose of the wolf with the all-around temperament and ease of training of the shepherd.
In 1968, Frank Catania, who had 11 years of experience training dogs for the military and private, undertook a 5 year government program producing these wolfdogs for military use in Vietnam and elsewhere.
But as with many wolfdogs, the program failed.

They were good for tracking , but they were not motivated to attack a person, they had no desire to be protective towards men.
After these 5 years, the program stopped, but they wanted to create a new breed, in 1976, some of the 50% crosses were bred back to German shepherds.

After a while, these 25% wolfdogs became a new breed, the American tundra shepherd dog!
Now, there’s a strict breeding program, the puppy’s have to be examined by a certified breed warden, exterior and character are been followed , so this evaluation can help predict what work related field is suitable for each of these wolfdogs.

The American tundra shepherd dog is a massive, powerful animal, alert, nervously pacing back and forth, edgy in his awareness of every sound and motion.

Note: There are some people selling actaul wolfdog-crosses and falsely claiming they are American Tundra Shepherds.

The breed's official website is here:

I've also been able to find one breeder who seems to be breeding actual ATS, but the pictures really aren't good enough quality to tell for sure whether or not they are ATS or just very low-content wolfdogs or shepherd mixes since ATS isn't a recognized breed by any registry nor do they
to have a set standard as some like the dogs I posted above can look more wolfish while others just look like super chunky German Shepherd if you look the gallery on the breed's offical website.

Here's the possible breeder's page:

Lupo Italiano

The Lupo Italiano, also known as the Italian wolfdog, was a dog created by Mario Messi in 1966 by crossing a wolf from Northern Lazio raised as a puppy with a German Shepherd.[1] Its maternal genetics and gestation was from the wild wolf.[2]

Unlike most wolf-dog hybrids this canine displayed a propensity to be used as a working dog, and its breeding was taken over by the Italian Government. A breeding facility was created in Cumiana (Piedmont) and the number of dogs gradually increased to about 700 specimens. The breed was officially recognized by the Italian Government and laws were passed to provide financial resources for its breeding. Nowadays numerous Alpine rescue teams utilize these dogs to search for avalanche victims. Over time, it has proven superior to the German shepherd in locating persons buried under snow. It has also been used as a rescue dog to locate persons trapped under the rubble of collapsed buildings in the aftermath of an earthquake. It has performed exceptionally well in this role.

The Lupo Italiano's height ranges between 60 to 70 centimetres (24–28 in) for male, and 58 to 65 centimetres (23–26 in) for female. The head and its expression defines the sex of the animal. It has black lips and a strong jaw, with a full complement of 42 teeth: the bite is scissors-shaped. The body is sturdy, not too elongated. The abdomen is strong and tucked in. The spine is straight, and very well built. The rump is slightly lower set than the shoulders. The Lupo Italiano move quickly and gracefully, despite its size. Its trot should give the impression of "elegant force", reminiscent of the wild wolf. Its limbs are long, muscular, slightly angled. Its coat is of medium length and hardness, shorter and finer on the thighs, head and limbs. The Colour ranges from gray, with various markings, to cream, with a dark saddleback. The tail, without exaggeration, hangs low up to the hackles, and, like the Siberian husky, doesn't show any excessive curve.

For the last 15 years the Italian State Forestry Corps have worked mainly with this dog, in Italy and abroad. The Lupo Italiano, when working with the forest patrol, is always competent and reliable. Its attitude to tasks such as avalanche and earthquake resque [sic] is formidable and it is extremely well suited for searching people or other animals lost in the mountains and woods. The Lupo Italiano was chosen to serve in Turin 2006 Olympic Games.[2]

The Lupo Italiano is a loyal, fearless dog.

The Lupo Italiano is well adapted for work in a mountain environment, as an avalanche dog and as a rescue dog. It is resistant to adverse atmospheric conditions and bad weather. It is not affected by snow-glare. With its keen sense of smell, it is ideally suited to search for missing people or wounded animals. It therefore proves to be an ideal aid for park rangers, or game wardens. It can also be trained as a police dog and possesses great physical strength and incredible agility. It can also be trained as a flock guard to protect livestock.

The breed is protected by presidential decreet stipulating that this 'State' dog can not be commercialized nor bred outside the officially recognized agency, the Etli, Ente Tutela del Lupo Italiano (Agency for the protection of the Lupo Italiano).[3] For over 15 years the Italian State Forestry Corps has used this wolf-dog hybrid as their main working dog.

At the time of the breed's creation, nothing was known of the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, even if it already existed, and the first Dutch attempt to create the wolf dog, the Saarloos Wolfdog, failed. In effect, the birth of Zorro, the first Lupo Italiano, was seen as a revolutionary victory.

Mario Messi, the breed's creator, dreamed of superior dogs managed by a specialized body working without profit. The goal was to provide animals for civil defense and the armed forces to save lives. An ambitious project, but especially expensive, which took the entire family fortune (extremely large), under the illusion that Italian politics would have supported and helped. He had some funding (already heavily criticized by his detractors), but an insufficient amount to sustain the costs of an enterprise too arduous. Someone sent him money thinking of helping the "real" Apennine wolf: then discovered that it was a different project and claimed that it was a scam.

The Italian wolfdogs have never been sold officially, because the moment of maximum interest for the breed would have been too complicated to try to entrust specimens and sell puppies. In other cases, animals that were passed off as Italian wolfdogs, were simply German Shepherd hybrids.

The original plan was for the dogs to be entrusted exclusively to people who used them for socially useful purposes. Messi counted on the help of the state in mind. In one example, Japan had even proclaimed "national treasures" his most important races: perhaps he was not quite clear on how things worked in the country.[4]

Here is the breed's official website although it is all in Italian:


About the wolf content (topic copied from the official forum)

The reason for announcing the following information regarding wolf content is so that you (the general public) can make up your own minds about the rumors, speculation and gossip and draw your own conclusions as to the reality of the overall situation. Then we can have a healthy discussion about what it all means, the possible implications and how we use this information in a positive and constructive way to further progress the Tamaskan breed.

Although rumors of wolf content in the Tamaskan breed have been rife for years, until now there was no substantial evidence of such. One DNA parentage test was conducted several years ago (on dogs that were not microchipped and only identified by name) to 'prove' that Valko (a Finnish dog) was 'Whitefang' - the sire of Summer and Skye. However, there was no DNA evidence linking Valko to his own sire (alleged to be Boogie, a high content wolfdog). Without a direct clear-cut chain of confirmed parentage, with properly identified dogs (microchip etc) such 'evidence' was reduced to weak speculation at best.

Recently, several Tamaskan Dogs around the world were DNA tested for wolf content by the laboratory at UC Davis, which has developed a new DNA test for particular genetic markers that are found in American wolves. Of the Tamaskans that were DNA sampled, several tested positive for wolf content (the results thus determined that those Tamaskans are 'wolf hybrids') while others tested negative (thus, those Tamaskans are simply regular dogs without any wolf genes). Obviously this only affects particular bloodlines...

- Bobbi (Saarloos with Czech blood further back in the pedigree) X Summer (Whitefang x Paloose) = at least one offspring from this combination tested positive as a 'wolf hybrid'

- Skye (Whitefang x Paloose) X Nevada (Banjo x Tumanra) = at least one offspring from this combination tested positive as a 'wolf hybrid'

- Jackal (Oskari x Pauliine) X Jodie (Ivan x Dixy) = at least one offspring from this combination tested positive as a 'wolf hybrid'

The UC Davis DNA test costs $150 per dog - for financial reasons, we are simply not able to test all of the Foundation Dogs / bloodlines. IF I had such money to spare personally, I would gladly test ALL of my own dogs to see if any of them test positive (or not) for wolf content. However, I am of the opinion that only certain dogs from particular bloodlines will test positive for wolf genes. Whether these dogs actually are 'wolf hybrids' or simply have 'traces' of wolf genes in their DNA (yet are many generations removed and those few wolf genes are very well diluted) remains to be seen. It IS possible that the wolf genes come from Summer / Skye (out of Whitefang - IF the Valko rumors are true) however, it is also possible that the detected wolf content comes from Saarloos / Czech content several generations ago - the problem is that the laboratory is unable to distinguish whether the genes are inherited from the maternal or paternal side and, moreover, that their DNA test primarily focused on US wolves (which potentially rules out DNA markers for Czech / Saarloos as those breeds were developed from European wolves). IF Bobbi and Nevada and Jackal are all tested, and come back clear, then we could determine that the wolf content comes from Summer / Skye / Jodie. However, if all (or any) of those dogs test positive then it means that they are also 'carriers' of wolf genes.

That being said, the accuracy of this DNA test also needs to be further examined. For instance, several dog breeds (which look nothing like wolves) are known to share very close ancestry with wolves (Shar Pei, Lhasa Apso, etc) so until several individuals of these particular breeds are tested (and the results compared with those obtained from Tamaskan Dogs) we will be unable to confirm the accuracy of such a DNA test to truly determine 'wolf content'. It is, however, pertinent to expect that SOME Tamaskan bloodlines WILL test positive for wolf content with this particular DNA test (from the laboratory of UC Davis). I do know that several dogs in Finland were recently sampled for DNA testing, whether that is for parentage analysis or for the wolf content DNA test remains to be seen. Either way, if we are all aware of this information (and the possible implications) then we can use it to our advantage: knowledge is power. By making informed choices and putting this information 'on the table' it is clear that nothing is being kept hidden. Keeping it secret only makes it look like there is something to hide.

Anyway, for those who own Tamaskan Dogs in areas where wolfdogs are illegal, it would be an idea (if you can spare the cash) to have your own dogs tested just to be on the safe side (so that you can provide proof of no wolf content, if necessary). Furthermore, it would be a good idea if breeders could test their breeding dogs (if it is economically feasible) to find out if their breeding stock carries the wolf genes as that SHOULD influence which puppies will go to which owners (from particular bloodlines) depending on where the owner lives. The way I see it, some bloodlines will test positive for traces of wolf genes but that doesn't necessarily mean they are true 'wolf hybrids' - probably low content wolfdogs at the most. However, as far as authorities are concerned (since the test is unable to differentiate between F1-F5) it could cause some problems for owners - as long as all this information is known before a potential puppy purchaser puts down a deposit, it will allow them to make an informed decision about which bloodline they should select. Certain Tamaskan bloodlines are known to be 'wolf free' according to this DNA test (though, in reality, they could be from the same bloodlines just further generations removed, which means that the wolf genes were diluted out). The main thing is responsibly placing puppies in the right homes - even though nurture and upbringing can make a world of difference on a dog's behavior and doesn't truly indicate any potential wolf content (one Tamaskan bloodline could act much like any other, regardless of a few genetic markers here or there) the fact remains that SOME bloodlines COULD test positive with this particular DNA test.


The Tamaskan Dog Register (TDR) was formed in February 2006. The word "Tamaska" means "mighty wolf" in the Native American language. The TDR, formed by the original committee members of the British and International Utonagan Society, is the governing body for all Tamaskan Dogs throughout the world.

In the 1980s, five husky type dogs of unknown origin were imported into the UK from the United States. These dogs were then bred to Alaskan Malamutes, Siberian Huskies and German Shepherd crosses. The origins of these dogs are also unknown. These were the humble beginnings to create a dog that resembled the wolf, but had a good temperament and would make a good family dog. In addition, the dogs must possess a good working ability.

Over the years, a small group of dedicated breeders continued to add other dogs and through breeding, the group continued to create the wolf look-a-like breed. Since no records were maintained and the breeding programs were not documented, no one is certain of the exact breeding programs. These dogs were given the name wolf-dog, but the name was changed to Northern Inuit around 1988 since these dogs did not contain any wolf content. As a result, the Northern Inuit Society was formed.

Over time, differences in opinion regarding the development of the breed caused a split and two separate groups formed. The group that broke off changed the name of the breed to Utonagan to distinguish themselves from the Northern Inuit group and the Utonagan Society was formed. Due to differences, the Utonagan Society divided as well. The newly formed British and International Utonagan Society continued breeding with the goal to improve type, health issues and to maintain all records of matings. A hip score and eye score testing scheme, rules, regulations and a code of ethics was established. Some health issues began to appear in the breed, but they were not discovered until later. This led to the search for new healthy, unrelated bloodlines to introduce.

Dogs with the wolf appearance, health and good temperaments were found in Lapland. These dogs had the qualities that were needed. The dogs were being bred for sled pulling in extreme temperatures and they would add to the breed's future working ability. Seven dogs were imported and it was again time to consider the future.

It was at this time, that the Tamaskan would make its entry into the dog world. Committee members of the British and International Utonagan Society made the decision to close down due to activity in the original Utonagan Society. A few year earlier, the original Utonagan Society had closed and a new committee decided to resurrect the Utonagan Society. The newly resurrected Utonagan Society did not wish to follow the standards established by the former British and International Utonagan Society or to allow the new bloodlines to be introduced. It seemed obvious that these dogs would need a new name and the Tamaskan breed was established. There were 4 breeders involved in the founding of the Tamaskan: Blustag, Blufawn, Alba & Moonstone.

The foundation stock consisted of the original seven dogs imported from Lapland, seven dogs were selected from Blustag Kennel, four dogs from the UK and two dogs from the US. Two additional foundation dogs were added in 2006, one in 2008 and two more in 2009.


"Please note, the Tamaskan Dog is a very young breed and temperament can vary from litter to litter and dog to dog."

Tamaskan in general are very loyal family/pack orientated dogs. This leads the breed prone to suffering from separation anxiety and/or destructive behavior if left alone for any length of time. The breed tends to do best having someone working from home, but some Tamaskan have also done well just having another dog for company.

Tamaskan successfully live with other dogs, cats, horses, rabbits, birds, snakes and lizards, but it is suggested you pay special attention to introduce these animals young so they know they are also part of the pack since the breed does have a prey drive.

This breed is highly intelligent and quick to learn new things, if the right form of motivation is found. They can have a very "what's in it for me" attitude, that can come off as quiet aloof if they feel they can not be bothered with what you are asking of them. With persistence they can do a broad spectrum of things from pulling a sled to becoming a therapy dog or even becoming a search a rescue dog.

Tamaskan tend to be extremely friendly and do well with adults and children of all ages. This leads them to not making a good guard dog unless licking someone to death is the idea you have for protection. They can make good watchdogs and bark if someone or something unfamiliar is approaching your property.

Tams are generally sensitive and attuned to people, therefore it's recommended that only experienced and confident dog owners that are positive and persistent in their training consider ownership.

The perks to a Tamaskan over other Arctic breeds is their recall. They are pack dogs so do not want to be left behind, that being said they do not turn on a dime when called and will often take their time on return. Tams can have a high prey drive so teaching them young not to chase animals will prevent them from straying far if they wander out of sight.

For the best temperament outcome ask about the potential parents of your puppy as well as take the time to socialize them to everything as often as possible.

Note: There are several websites with fake Tamaskan registeries started by unscruptuous breeders, sadly one of which was the original founder.
The remaining commitee members of the breed registry have the official site and forum at the following links:

Blue Bay Shepherd

There have recently surfaced some people who are claiming to have "Blue Bay Shepherds" for sale. The Blue Bay Shepherd is still in its developmental stages and will be or several more years. There are NO breeders of Blue Bay Shepherd in the US other than the founder in
Palm Bay, Florida and the other breeder is located in France. If your pup does not come from one of those sources, it is not a Blue Bay Shepherd. All Blue Bay Shepherds are registered with a certificate and a number hand signed by the founder. If you purchase a pup without this certificate it is not a Blue Bay Shepherd. If a Blue Bay Shepherd is bred to anything other than another Blue Bay Shepherd it is a mixed breed.There are no legitimate Blue Bay Shepherds with out a certificate. If you see an animal for sale that someone is claiming to be a Blue Bay Shepherd ask to see the certificates of both parents. If they say the certificates are lost then call the founder at (561)-248-4610 as every single Blue Bay Shepherd born in the US or in France will have a registration number that can be verified.

History of the Blue Bay Shepherd from Breed Founder Vicki Spencer

The Blue Bay Shepherd is a new breed in progress that I have been working on for over 20 years. The first litters were finally produced in March 2011. Some of the foundation animals are from European German Shepherds imported from a top breeder in France with bloodlines from Germany and Holland as well. They are a color known as “Blue” and very hard to find in the shepherd. It has been my dream for many years to develop a dog that would have the willingness to please, the loyal nature and trainability of a well-bred German shepherd with the extremely good health, loving nature and awesome beauty of their wolf ancestry. That has proved to be very difficult and at times a seemingly impossible thing to accomplish because finding just the right dog has not been easy. I always knew the German shepherd had most of what I wanted.

While I love the look of the old style German shepherd like the Rin Tin Tin of the 1950’s TV series, it had been impossible for me to find that look. When I ran across the blue color in the wolf dog I knew then that was what I needed to produce the look I wanted. A “Blue” German
shepherd would solve my problem with the dark eyes. The blue coated animals always seemed to have lighter eyes so when and if I was able to find one I would only have to work on bringing the ear size back down in proportion to the head. However the “Blue” German shepherd also proved extremely hard to find. I had one back in the 70’s so I knew the blue existed. I just could not seem to find one anywhere. The only blues I could find were not solids; they developed a very distinct saddle and almost completely lost the look of the blue by a year old.

Searching for the right look...

After a while I pretty much gave up finding a blue German shepherd and just went on breeding my blue colored wolf dogs. I’m sure everyone knows how it goes when you quit trying so hard sometimes things just happen. One day I received an email from a breeder in France who bred Altdeustsche Schaferhund’s. They attached their website address to the bottom of the email. I clicked on their site and there they were, the most beautiful Blue German Shepherds I have ever seen! The problem was finding a way I could cross the shepherd with dogs of more recent wolf heritage and NOT produce the traits that I personally found to be unappealing with some of today’s German Shepherds,specifically, the very dark eyes and larger ears. At the same time there was something about a lot of wolf type dogs that I did not like either and that is their shy and sometimes very timid nature with humans. Crossing a dog with traceable wolf heritage back to a shepherd is not by any means something new that has not been done many times before. Today there are some wonderful breeds that have been created from this cross. However it seemed like the German shepherd had dominated the looks of almost every cross I had previously seen. As many people know the German shepherd has traceable wolf heritage and in some of the old studbooks the wolf was originally used in the development of the breed, as we know it today.

The perfect foundation GSDs:
Within a year I got 2 pups a male and female. I must say I was extremely surprised to find everything I was looking for in those 2 pups. I consider myself very fortunate to find such a dedicated breeder without them I would have never been able to get started on this new breed. These 2 pups not only had the color, their ears were not oversized and their temperament was everything I could have hoped for. They both have very soft temperaments and sweet personalities more like that of a collie or golden retriever, great for a family pet. So my concern about the possibility of having the aggressive temperament that some GSD’s have was no longer a concern . Jordan & Passion absolutely love everyone they meet.
This type of temperament is great because my vision for the Blue bay Shepherd was to create just a really good companion and family pet that would be safe with all people. Since the wolf dogs I have had over the last 30 years have always displayed nothing but a sweet
nature and have never shown any protective or aggressive tendencies I did not want to add that with the German shepherd.

Developing the breed:
So I have this year the first foundation litters of what I intend to develop as the Blue Bay Shepherd, just a good pet and true companion dog with “out of this world” beauty. They will not carry the stigma of the name “wolf” ,wolf dog” or wolf hybrid” since one of the parents is a full German Shepherd and the other parent is 5 generations away from any pure wolf in their line. This makes the first Blue Bays F-6. Within the next year or two I will be breeding Blue Bay to Blue Bay. I have been very selective about the animals that I chose for this first breeding. I used animals that I have line bred for quite some time specifically for looks and temperament and I know their backgrounds well. I have already chosen the other lines
that I will be introducing into the further development of the breed although I can say I have come closer to exactly what I want the Blue bay to be in these first pups than I ever imagined I would. There will be NO wolves added in the development of this breed. I will be creating a standard for what all Blue bays should ideally be. I hope to be on target with that standard by keeping in touch with all the new owners as their pups grow. This way I will know if they are turning out as planned and can work on continually improving the breed as it develops with the help of other dedicated people and the daily blessings of God.

Official Breed website:

Breeds with Known Ancestry from Other Wild Canids
Sulimov Dog (Golden Jackal Ancestry)

The Sulimov dog (Russian: Собакa Сулимова), also known as the Shalaika (Russian: Шалайка),[1] is a Russian jackal-dog hybrid originating from an initial hybrid between two Lapponian Herders and two Turkmen golden jackals. The breed was developed by Klim Sulimov for Aeroflot airline security. He is described as a Senior Research Assistant at the D.S. Likhachev Scientific Research Institute for Cultural Heritage and Environmental Protection.[2] The primary use of this breed has been to aid airport security as sniffer dogs. Quoting Sulimov, "My dogs combine the qualities of Arctic reindeer herding dogs, which can work in temperatures as low as -70°C, and jackals which enjoy the heat up to +40°C. They're perfect for our country."[3]

During the breeding process, male jackal pups had to be fostered on a Lapponian Herder bitch to imprint the jackals on dogs. Female jackals accepted male dogs more easily. The half-bred jackal-dogs were hard to train and were bred back to Huskies to produce quarter-bred hybrids (quadroons). These hybrids were small, agile, and trainable and had excellent noses. They were then called Sulimov dogs after their creator and may one day be registered as a working breed of dog. Twenty-five Sulimov dogs are used by Aeroflot at Sheremetyevo Airport in Moscow, for functions which include bomb-sniffing. Their breeding program dates back to 1975, but was not applied to bomb detection until 2002.

The jackal-dog hybrids were bred together for seven generations to establish the breed. To improve trainability, other dogs were bred into the line: a reindeer herding hound, a fox terrier, and a Spitz. The result was an easily trainable dog with a superior sense of smell. Only about 40 of these dogs are in existence and they are all the property of Aeroflot. They are trained from puppyhood to recognize 12 components of explosives. Unlike more common sniffing dogs, they take the initiative in searching. [4]

Australian Cattle Dog(Dingo Ancestry)

The Australian Cattle Dog (ACD), or simply Cattle Dog, is a breed of herding dog originally developed in Australia for droving cattle over long distances across rough terrain. The Australian Cattle Dog is a medium-sized, short-coated dog that occurs in two main colour forms. It has either brown or black hair distributed fairly evenly through a white coat, which gives the appearance of a "red" or "blue" dog.

As with dogs from other working breeds, the Australian Cattle Dog is energetic and intelligent with an independent streak. It responds well to structured training, particularly if it is interesting and challenging. It was originally bred to herd by biting, and is known to nip running children. It forms a strong attachment to its owners, and can be protective of them and their possessions. It is easy to groom and maintain, requiring little more than brushing during the shedding period. The most common health problems are deafness and progressive blindness (both hereditary conditions) and accidental injury; otherwise, it is a robust breed with a lifespan of 12 to 14 years.

In the 19th century, New South Wales cattle farmer Thomas Hall crossed the dogs used by drovers in his parents' home county, Northumberland, with dingoes he had tamed. The resulting dogs were known as Halls Heelers. After Hall's death in 1870, the dogs became available beyond the Hall family and their associates. They were subsequently developed into two modern breeds: the Australian Cattle Dog and the Australian Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog. Robert Kaleski, who wrote the first standard for the breed, was influential in its development.

It has been nicknamed a "Red Heeler" or "Blue Heeler" on the basis of its colouring and practice of moving reluctant cattle by nipping at their heels. Dogs from a line bred in Queensland, Australia, which were successful at shows and at stud in the 1940s, were called "Queensland Heelers" to differentiate them from lines bred in New South Wales; this nickname is now occasionally applied to any Australian Cattle Dog.

Australian Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog(Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog)(Dingo Ancestry)

The Australian Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog is a naturally bobtailed or tailless, medium-sized breed of dog and a variation of the Australian Cattle Dog. The Australian Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog was developed in Australia[1] to herd cattle,[2] and descends from crosses between European herding dogs and the Australian dingo. The name is spelled both with hyphenation, as Australian Stumpy-Tail Cattle Dog,[2] and without,[3] and the shorter name Stump Tail Cattle Dog is also sometimes applied.[4]

The Australian Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog descended from Smithfield herding dogs of England, which were brought to Australia in the early 19th century and cross-bred with the dingo. Records of working dogs are scarce from this time period, and there are differing accounts of the breed's development. One is that a drover named Timmins from Bathurst, New South Wales, crossed the Smithfield dogs with the dingo, producing a type of working dog called Timmins' Biters.[1][5] In order to mute their dingo characteristics and make the dogs easier to handle, further crosses were made with Scottish Smooth Collies, producing speckled red and blue dogs that were often born tailless.

In the book A Dog Called Blue, author Noreen Clark makes the case that both the tailless Australian Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog and the Australian Cattle Dog descended from the same stock, called Halls Heelers, kept in the 1830s by a very large cattle operation run by Thomas Hall. The dogs which were also crosses of Smithfield and dingo, but the breeds diverged at some point in the late 19th century.Selective breeding of the tailless or short-tailed dogs has fixed the characteristic of today's breed.[1][5]

The rumored breeds will come in the next post.

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Breeds with Rumored Wolf Ancestry

Hierran Wolfdog (Perro Lobo Herreño)

The Hierran Wolfdog or Perro Lobo Herreño is a breed of dog originated in the Island of El Hierro, in the Canary Islands (Spain). The islanders know it as "lobito" or "perro lobo".[2]

Although its origin is unknown, dogs similar to wolves existed in the Canary Islands of the 15th century, called "cancha" by aborigins. It is generally believed to be of wolfdog ancestry.

Theoretically, the Canary Islands are named after the various canines who lived there. There is a type of dog on almost every island, and islands share several. As livestock play an important role on the islands, there are several sheepdogs.

The origin is still uncertain, but the Hierran Wolfdog has been present for the last two centuries and probably came with the first settlers to the island, an issue that is still under study. At the arrival of the Spanish conquest, the chaplains accompanying the Conquistadors wrote about the presence of "wild dogs like wolves, but they are small".[3]

This dog has achieved its preference among the shepherds of the island.

Hierran Wolfdogs are known to have a great temperament. They are very restless, highly resistant, and easily disciplinable with quick reflexes. It is quite wary of strangers, but does not attack without reason. It shows great loyalty to its master and to all family members. It was used for grazing tasks.

German Shepherd

Photo courtesy of Jenni of Jake who is now deceased.

I want a German Shepherd that looks like this guy. He reminds me of the old style GSD's like Rin Tin Tin. Nice straight back. Wish I knew who the breeder was, but the picture's just from a wallpaper website.

A West German Working Line sub-type of German Shepherd pictured directly above. This type is supposed to be the mostly closely related to the original GSDs.

Here's more info on different types of GSDs: ... types.html

Horand von Grafrath (January 1, 1895 - after 1899) (formerly Hektor Linksrhein) was the first German Shepherd Dog and the genetic basis for modern German Shepherds.

A society named the Phylax Society formed in Germany in 1891, with the intention of standardising dog breeds. The society disbanded in 1894, but many of the members continued to exhibit the ideologies promoted by the society. One of these members was Captain Max von Stephanitz, the man now credited with being the father of the German Shepherd Dog.[1] In 1899 while attending a show, von Stephanitz was shown a dog named Hektor Linksrhein. Von Stephanitz was so impressed by Hektor's intelligence, strength and obedience that he purchased the dog for 200 German gold mark[2] and immediately formed the Verein für Deutsche Schäferhunde (Society for the German Shepherd Dog). Von Stephanitz admired the dog for its "obedient fidelity to [its] master."[3] Von Stephanitz changed Hektor's name to Horand von Grafrath and included him as the center-point of the society's breeding programs. The dog was then registered under a new breed registry, thus making Horand von Grafrath the first German Shepherd Dog.[4][1][5]

Many breeders of the time idolized Horand as the goal for what a well-rounded working dog should be.[1]

There have been statements that Hektor Linksrhein was part wolf

Horand von Grafrath aka Hektor Linksrhein pictured above.

In Europe, during the 1850s, attempts were being made to standardize breeds.[39] The dogs were bred to preserve traits that assisted in their job of herding sheep and protecting flocks from predators.[25] In Germany this was practiced within local communities, where shepherds selected and bred dogs. It was recognized that the breed had the necessary skills for herding sheep, such as intelligence, speed, strength and keen senses of smell.[25] The results were dogs that were able to do such things, but that differed significantly, both in appearance and ability, from one locality to another.[39]

To combat these differences, the Phylax Society was formed in 1891 with the intention of creating standardised development plans for native dog breeds in Germany.[25] The society disbanded after only three years due to ongoing internal conflicts regarding the traits in dogs that the society should promote;[25] some members believed dogs should be bred solely for working purposes, while others believed dogs should be bred also for appearance.[40] While unsuccessful in their goal, the Phylax Society had inspired people to pursue standardising dog breeds independently.

With the rise of large, industrialized cities in Germany, the predator population began to decline, rendering sheepdogs unnecessary.[25] At the same time, the awareness of sheepdogs as a versatile, intelligent class of canine began to rise.[25] Max von Stephanitz, an ex-cavalry captain and former student of the Berlin Veterinary College, was an ex-member of the Phylax Society who firmly believed dogs should be bred for working.[25] He admired the intelligence, strength and ability of Germany's native sheepdogs, but could not find any one single breed that satisfied him as the perfect working dog.[25]

In 1899, Von Stephanitz was attending a dog show when he was shown a dog named Hektor Linksrhein.[25] Hektor was the product of few generations of selective breeding and completely fulfilled what Von Stephanitz believed a working dog should be. He was pleased with the strength of the dog and was so taken by the animal's intelligence, loyalty and beauty, that he purchased him immediately.[39] After purchasing the dog he changed his name to Horand von Grafrath and Von Stephanitz founded the Verein für Deutsche Schäferhunde (Society for the German Shepherd Dog).[39] Horand was declared to be the first German Shepherd Dog and was the first dog added to the society's breed register.[25]

Horand became the centre-point of the breeding programs and was bred with dogs belonging to other society members that displayed desirable traits and with dogs from Thuringia, Franconia and Wurttemberg.[25] Fathering many pups, Horand's most successful was Hektor von Schwaben.[25][41] Hektor was inbred with another of Horand's offspring and produced Heinz von Starkenburg, Beowulf and Pilot, who later fathered a total of eighty-four pups, mostly through being inbred with Hektor's other offspring.[25] This inbreeding was deemed necessary in order to fix the traits being sought in the breed.[25] In the original German Shepherd studbook, Zuchtbuch für Deutsche Schäferhunde (SZ), within the two pages of entries from SZ No. 41 to SZ No. 76, there are four Wolf Crosses.[42] Beowulf's progeny also were inbred and it is from these pups that all German Shepherds draw a genetic link. It is believed the society accomplished its goal mostly due to Von Stephanitz's strong, uncompromising leadership and he is therefore credited with being the creator of the German Shepherd Dog.[43]

Mores Plieningen was Hektor/Horand's mother and it was alleged that her mother (so Horand/Hektor's grandmother) Werra was a pure wolf. I've also seen mention of wolf crosses mentioned in the original GSD studbook, but I can't seem to find any scans of it online and the digital recreations I've seen, don't mention breeds of any of the dogs. Also, sadly there are no pictures available on the internet of either Mores or her supposed wolf mother Werra.

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Really cool list. I read that about the Tamaskans a few years ago about some having wolf markers, but never read the official blurb about in on their site. The UC Davis test is accurate though, so I think that's them just being hopeful still.

I'm surprised there's "so few," but then again, I guess there wouldn't be too many actual breeds.

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Breeds with Rumored Wolf Ancestry (Continued)


The Shikoku is the rarest and most primitive of the japanese breeds. It resembles a wolf, and legend has it that the breed has some wolf blood. This belief probably arose mainly from the dog’s appearance, and from the fact that the wolf is thought to have survived longer on the island of Shikoku (the place of this dog’s origin) than elsewhere in Japan.

The Shikoku does look fierce, almost wild. Its stride is smooth and swift like a wolf, and it’s superb ability to leap makes it well suited to running through mountains and hills. It was protected and preserved for its skills in hunting (mainly wild boar) in the mountains and hills of the Shikoku Mountains in Kochi Prefecture. Shikoku Island is the smallest of Japans’s four main islands, located southwest of the main island of Honshu. Present day Shikoku is made up of four prefectures, Ehime, Kagawa, Kōchi, and Tokushima.

The breed is also known as the Kochi inu, and was called Tosa inu in ancient times, but today it is called Shikoku ken to avoid confusion with another japanese breed, the Tosa fighting dog. The Shikoku is thought to have been one of the dogs used as a basic for the Tosa fighting dog, but its physical build is completely different from that of the Tosa as you can see on the photo on the right.

In the past, Shikoku lived with MATAGI, or hunters, in parts of western and northern Shikoku. These are the areas of steep mountains ranges and difficult to access, which limited interbreeding between these different location, with the result that the breed became divided into several lineages.

At the time of the classification of the Shikoku as a breed, there were several ‘types’ from different regions on the island. The original lines of Shikoku were the Awa, Hongawa, Hata, and Uwajima (all named after the areas they originated from within Kochi prefecture). The Uwajima and and Hata were virtually indistinguishable and so from early on were lumped together as Hata. The Awa line essentially disappeared as a result of the hardships caused by World War II and a lack of quality specimens due to cross breeding with outside dogs. Leaving the Hongawa and Hata lines as the 2 bloodlines that make up the modern day Shikoku.

Each of these strains originally had distinctive features in terms of physical build, which probably arose in response to the region’s different topographies (read more about the differences between the Hongawa and the Hata here). Rugged terrain made many parts of Shikoku very difficult of access, resulting in the breed’s having a high degree of purity. The fact that the bloodlines of these dogs could be traced historically through generations after generation led Nippo to make the Shikoku the basis for its Standard for all the Japanese breeds.

The Shikoku is energetic and highly alert and requires hard outdoor exercise. It is capable of forming a close bond with its owner, provided that the owner is experienced at handling dogs. It’s nature is to be loyal, independent,standoffish, and reserved. The dog can sometimes turn to people- even people it should know- and lunge or bite.
The coat of the Shikoku is double. The colour is usually sesame, or sometimes red, and very occasionally black. The Shikoku was designated a Protected Species in 1937. It is almost unknown outside Japan.

West Siberian Laika

Purebred West Siberian Laika

The animal on the right is a first generation cross between a West Siberian laika dog and a female wolf. Breeding West Siberian laikas to wolves is really nothing new, and the practice continues in Russia to this day. Knowing the politics of wolf hybrids in the United States, it might not be wise to discuss this feature in the West Siberian laika. There is a certain politically correct movement that views any sort of wolf hybrid as a skittish, dangerous animal, when in reality, the animals vary quite a bit. Having been around a West Siberian laika, I can attest that they are less wild and skittish than many other Nordic breeds.

And from another source:

It is the common wisdom that wolf- dog hybrids are spooky creatures, alternately shy and aggressive, that do not make good working dogs. So it is with fascination that I bring you this report from a friend, cynologist Vladimir Beregovoy, about a correspondent of his in Russia.

"I wanted to share with you a few pictures which I just received from my Internet friend Mikhail Ovcharenko. He lives near Ulyanowsk, on the Volga River. He was involved in a wolf control job and became fascinated with this animal. Now, his obsession is keeping wolves and West Siberian Laikas, interbreeding them and hunting with Wolf/Laika mixes. He does not keep them locked up for life, but really hunts them like he would hunt dogs, and he is very happy with his results.... Here are some pics of his mixes of the second through third generations. They really hunt well, like good dogs. They retrieve ducks from water and track and bay wild boar for him."

And from another source is a person selling laika/wolf crosses that may or may not be the same guy mentioned from the previous source: ... ussia.html

Labrador Husky

The Labrador Husky is a spitz type of dog that was bred for work as a very strong, fast sled dog; it is a purebred originating from Canada. Although the breed's name may be baffling, it is not a mix between a Labrador Retriever and a husky. The breed is very little known, and there are no breed clubs that currently recognize it.

The Labrador Husky is a fairly large dog that can weigh between 60 and 100 pounds and can grow to 20 - 28 inches. Thick, double coated fur protects these dogs from the bitterly cold temperatures that come with Labrador's long winters.

The husky's head is broad and has a long, narrow muzzle. The chest is wide and heavy boned. The husky's muscular and stout body is a unique physical trait, especially when compared to a Siberian Husky. Coat colors include solid white, solid black, black and white, red and white, and grey and white. There are two rare coat colors that can also be found in this breed: wolf grey and solid grey. Any coat color can appear in any litter; the most common colours are black and white, gray and white, and solid black.

This breed has existed for hundreds of years, and has become a unique breed due to its isolation from other northern dog breeds over this time. Labrador Huskies were used for transportation for many years, until the advent of the snowmobile. They are now often kept as loving pets. However, there are Labrador Inuit and Metis who still use them for recreational dog sledding and some even prefer the dog team to a snowmobile. Sled dog racing continues to be a winter pastime in Labrador, with long races similar to the Iditarod still happening today.

Today, in isolated communities in northern Labrador, spaying and neutering is extremely expensive and logistically difficult. Dog breeding is therefore largely unmonitored and uncontrolled. This has resulted in a great variety of Labrador Husky mixes. It is unclear how many "purebred" Labrador Huskies are left in their region of origin, but many of the mixes retain that distinctive wolf-like facial shape.

Of all the northern dog breeds, the Labrador Husky is one of the rarest, with less than an estimated 50-60 purebred Labrador Huskies currently identified in Labrador.[citation needed]. As a result, the breed is not well understood by many dog breeders.

he Labrador Husky may have a somewhat different temperament from other Northern breeds. The breed can be friendly and not aggressive with strangers and is well behaved if socialized properly. These dogs often do well with children, especially if reared with them. Being with other dogs always makes them happy, because they are bred to work well in a pack. Training is easy and fun because they are an intelligent breed.

Unlike the Siberian or Alaskan Husky, the Labrador Husky is not well known. The breed has many wolf-like characteristics owing to its ancestry; however, the Labrador Husky has been a loyal and trusted companion to the Labrador Inuit for centuries. It rarely barks but does tend to howl. Labrador Huskies have a combination of strength, intelligence and stamina, properties that are good for virtually any breed. They are not as fast as their Siberian or Alaskan cousins because they have been bred for endurance and strength.

The Labrador Husky originated in the Labrador portion of the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador. Labrador is the northern and mainland portion of the province. The breed probably arrived in the area with the Inuit people who came to Canada around 1300 AD. Although they were once very closely related to other Northern breeds, such as the Siberian Husky, they became isolated in Labrador and continued to develop on their own. Their history of being bred with wolves does not mean that they are wolf-dogs, nor do they have any recent wolf ancestry. However, they still retain some of their wolf-like physical features. Although they have been isolated, some Labradorian people have introduced the blood of the Alaskan Malamute and later for trainability purposes, the German Shepherd Dog. This has created a larger sled dog that looks strikingly similar to the Siberian Husky, but is much larger and more wolf-like.

Kawakami Inu

Many animal lovers are already familiar with Akita Inu and Shiba Inu, Japan’s two most prominent breeds of dog. But while they’re both popular choices as pets, there’s another special type of pooch in Japan, the Kawakami Inu.

Extremely rare, the Kawakami Inu are said to be descended from Japanese wolves. And while they have the courage you’d expect from such lineage, that doesn’t mean they’re not also adorable as puppies.

The Kawakami Inu takes the first half of its name from Nagano Prefecture’s Kawakami Village (and the second half of its name from the Japanese word for “dog”). Today, the town is known for its lettuce and Chinese cabbage farms, but its isolated location, surrounded on all sides by tall mountains, meant that in the past hunting was also an important way of keeping the residents nourished.

In order to breed capable hunting dogs, it’s said that in days past, female dogs were taken into the mountains to mate with wolves. The resulting offspring became the Kawakami Inu, which explains their wolf-like appearance.

Due to their historical and cultural significance, the Kawakami Inu were declared living national treasures in 1921. However, due to cross-breeding with other types of dogs, especially during the 1940s, ‘50s, and ‘60s, the bloodline became thinned, evidenced by the many Kawakami Inu that were being born without their previously characteristic dewclaw vestigial digit. In 1968, the breed’s status as a living national treasure was revoked. Due to subsequent efforts to reestablish the purity of the breed, though, the designation was restored in 1982, and remains in place to this day.

Today, some 80 of the dogs live in Kawakami village, and the total population in Japan is only around 350. Kawakami Inu are described as brave, smart, and obedient. That’s not to say there aren’t any issues caretakers need to be aware of, though. The breed is wary of strangers, and requires a high level of communication and physical affection to build trust. If these conditions are not met, the Kawakami Inu can become uneasy and even aggressive.

Given the importance and scarcity of Kawakami Inu, though, you can’t just walk into a pet shop and ask for one. As a matter of fact, their status as living national treasures means technically you can’t even own one, since their special status means they’re supposed to belong to the nation as a whole.

It is possible to have one as a pet, though. The first step in the process is to apply with the Kawakami Inu Protection Society. Applicants go through a strict screening process, which examines not only the quality of life the caretakers can provide for the animal, but the surrounding natural environment as well. Cases of Kawakami Inu being awarded to residents of urban areas are few and far between, and the animals will not be placed in particularly hot or humid locales. While that eliminates large swaths of the Japanese countryside, the organization sees it as a necessary precaution, since although Kawakami Inu function well in cold, dry (by Japanese standards) Nagano, their bodies don’t adapt well to other climates.

Even if you meet all the criteria for a Kawakami Inu home, there’s probably still no rush to stock up on kibble and chew toys. Currently, the Kawakami Inu Protection Society has a waiting list of roughly 100 would-be caretakers, so printing this photo out and hanging it on your wall is as close as you’re likely to get to having one in your house, at least for the immediate future.

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Hokkaido Dog (Ainu Dog)

The Ainu revered the wolf as the deity Horkew Kamuy ("howling god"), in recognition of the animal's similar hunting habits. Wolves were sacrificed in "sending-away" iomante ceremonies, and some Ainu communities, such as those in Tokachi and Hidaka, held origin myths linking the birth of the Ainu to a coupling between a white wolf and a goddess. Ainu hunters would leave portions of their kills for wolves, and it was believed that hunters could share a wolf's kill if they politely cleared their throats in its presence. Because of the wolf's special status in Ainu culture, hunters were forbidden from killing wolves with poison arrows or firearms, and wasting the pelt and meat of a wolf was thought to provoke wolves into killing the hunter responsible. The Ainu did not differentiate wolves from their domestic dogs, and would strive to reproduce wolf traits in their dogs by allowing dogs in heat to roam freely in wolf-inhabited areas in order to produce hybrid offspring.[24]

Cane Lupino del Gigante

The Cane Lupino del Gigante, also known as Cane da Pastore dell'Appennino Reggiano o Cane Luvin, is a local variant of Cane Toccatore which has been used by shepherds on the Apennine Mountains near Reggio Emilia. Gigante refers to a mountain present in the area where the dogs live. The decline of sheep raising in the area led to a decline in the numbers of the breed which is now reduced to about 200 specimens.

The Lupino resembles a small wolf since breeding with wild wolves has been know to occur. The dog only weighs 20 to 30 kilograms (44 to 66 lb) in most cases and only a few specimens are bigger than that. It is a very docile dogs which can be used to drive sheep or to guard property. The Italian Kennel Club does not recognize the breed.

East European Shepherd

This powerful breed is seen by many as what the ideal working German Shepherd Dog should be, with some even considering it to be the original incarnation of the popular German breed. However, it should be noted that even though related, the East-European Shepherd is neither the same breed nor a type of the GSD, but a very different and separate working dog from the USSR. It could be argued that it was developed as an improvement upon the GSD, which proved itself to be unsuitable for harsh climates of the former Soviet Union when it was introduced to the country in the 1920's, but the East-European Ovcharka was created in the 1930's using a number of breeds, many of which have remained undisclosed to this day. What has been confirmed is the employment of imported German Shepherds, a variety of indigenous Russian Laikas, Central Asian Ovcharkas and Dobermanns in the breeding programme, but quite a few other breeds have been suggested as having a part in its creation, including Black Russian Terriers, Caucasian Ovcharkas, Moscow Mastiffs and even some wolf-hybrids and local greyhounds, but whether this was really the case is unclear.

The East-European Shepherd was developed earlier than some other more or less succesful Soviet experimental breeds, but since it was being perfected until the early 1960's, the possibility of it containing some blood of these breeds is quite likely. The first breed Standard was written in 1964 and outcrosses were no longer allowed, at least officially. This was first and foremost a working breed, used mainly for guarding duties, whether as a border patrol dog, personal protection and attack dog for the KGB or as a watchdog of Soviet prison camps. Its intelligence, drive and courage have earned the East-European Shepherd a great amount of respect both in its homeland and outside Russia's borders. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the breed became more common in other European countries, even being used to improve the health and working abilities of some existing GSD bloodlines. Known for its stable temperament, devotion to its master and trainability, the Vostochno-Evropeyskaya Ovtcharka is slowly gaining well-deserved acceptance worldwide as a truly remarkable working breed.

An excellent climber, the Eastern-European Shepherd also has impressive jumping abilities and is capable of great speeds, thanks to its compact body, long legs and impressive stamina. It is aloof with strangers, very territorial and alert, making a great property watchdog and guardian, but it also makes an agreable family companion when properly socialized and trained from an early age and handled responsibly and with authority. Superficially similar to the GSD, the Vostochnik is a much taller breed, with a straight back and a slightly longer muzzle.

The body is well-boned, muscular and lean, with a deep chest, strong neck and sturdy legs. Noticeably more agile and resilient than its German cousin, this rugged working dog is well-suited for a variety of climates, being equally effective in the warm steppe regions and the cold mountain areas.

The East-European Shepherd Dog has a hard and flat medium-length top coat, which is densely undercoated, with the hair being slightly fuller on the neck, around the ears and on the tail. Although uniform black dogs were famously preferred by the KGB, other shades exist, such as tan with a black saddle, grey, wheaten, fawn, brindle, sable and white, but they aren't as common or as popular as the traditional jet black and black-n-tan colourings.

The average height is around 28 inches, with taller dogs being more valued, some reaching up to 33 inches at the withers.

Northern Inuit Dog

In the 1990's, there was an increase in the amount of advertisements offering ‘wolf hybrid’ pups for sale. As the recent ‘Pit Bull’ horror stories from an over zealous tabloid press emerged, the RSPCA and other authorities grabbed the chance to try and have many people prosecuted and their dogs confiscated under the Dangerous wild animal act. Because of all the controversy surrounding any wolfy looking dogs, a group of people got together to try and safeguard the future of a particular line of these dogs.

The dogs were given the name ‘the Northern Inuit dog’ (which I shall hereafter refer to as the N.I.), due to the Northern breeds and Inuit type dogs that were used to create the breed. Two of these original Inuit types were imported to the UK from the USA as ‘wolf hybrid’ dogs, and there ensuing progeny were sold up and down the country as ‘wolf hybrids’, it is very dubious as to whether there was any actual wolf content in these dogs at all.

At the time of the N.I being established, one of the founder s of the breed, Julie Kelham, had the local authorities hammering at her door, trying to seize her dogs as dangerous wild animals. Although they went away empty handed, it resulted in a court case being brought against her, at the local magistrates court on the 20th of june 1998. At this time, the N.I was well established as a breed of dog and not as a wolf hybrid. The end result of the court case was a not guilty verdict due to the fact that it could not be proven that there was any wolf content in the breed.

The N.I has flourished since then and is rapidly gaining in popularity, therefore, the Northern Inuit society was formed to govern the breeding and well being of this wonderful dog, although, some members, in the past, were obviously not satisfied with the N.I as it was, and went on to cross their dogs with other breeds, which has resulted in several splits,and breeds such as the Utonagan, British Inuit, Tamaskan and ‘Inuit’ groups being formed. The N.I society believes that crossing the N.I with any other breed would only be detrimental to them and we are quite satisfied with the N.I as it is.

So, the question still remains ‘is there any wolf content in the N.I.? This is a question many people ask, and the truthful answer is, it really is impossible to say. If there is, it is so far back that it would have been diluted to almost 0%. Although some people would prefer that we steer well away from the wolf question, we are proud that our breed resemble the wolf in looks and of the unanswered question ‘is there or isn't there?’


The Utonagan originated from the Northern Inuit Dogs, so if the story about the Northern Inuit Dogs having wolf blood in some of the founders is true, then that would also mean that the Utonagan would have wolf blood as well.

There are two stories regarding the history of the Northern Inuit Dog. In the late 1980s, the founder of the breed, Eddie Harrison, bred several mixed-breed rescue dogs of unknown origin or heritage with Siberian Huskies, Alaskan Malamutes, and a specific bloodline of German Shepherd Dogs to produce the early Northern Inuit dogs. The breed's intent was to create a dog that closely resembled a wolf in appearance while possessing the gentler, more trainable character of the domesticated dog.

The other story relating to this breed is that a few Canadian Eskimo Dogs or Labrador Huskys were brought into the UK from the USA in the late 70s or early 80s and crossed bred with Alaskan Malamutes and German Shepherd Dogs. This version of events should be substantiated by the publication of importation and quarantine documents however this has never happened.

Over the years various groups have split from the original Northern Inuit Society to form their own breed groups.[citation needed] These have included The Inuit Dog Association, The British Timber dog, Anglo Wulfdog, The British Inuit Dog Club, and The Utonagan Society; the latter has also now splintered into different groups

Alaskan Noble Companion Dog

"Xena is a wolfdog bred by Karen Evans of Wichita Falls, TX. Her parents were Ladyhawke and Nighthawke 2, bred by Lynn Williams of Howling Hills Kennel in NH. Xena's % is around 65% .

Xena was not the only wolfdog in the ANCD foundation stock. Apollo was an F3, aprox 30% wolfdog, son of Luna. Luna was an F2, 44% wolfdog from a Siberian Husky bred with an 87.5% arctic wolf/Great Pyrenees litter. I do not remember who Luna's breeder was but her wolfdog parent was bred by Linda Wenger in CA. It was out of a 3/4 wolf 1/4 Great Pyrenees female bred with Ice Warrior, a pure arctic wolf from Rick Halvorson. Ice Warrior was a well known wolf in the 1980's who appeared in several movies and publications.

Luna was going to be bred to her son Apollo in 1998, but it never happened, probably because she was too old."

That was from a post quoted by Cindy in another topic.

Breed site:

Greenland Dog

The Greenland Dog was brought into the country with the Inuits moving from Canada to Greenland after 1200 A.D. The Dorset, the old arctic culture that preceded that of Thule and modern Inuit, did not use dogs or dog sleds. Thanks to the dogs and sleds the Thule had far better range. The dogs that arrived with the Thule were the original Inuit Dogs and Greenland is believed to be the only place on earth were these dogs remained genetically isolated.

The Greenland dog is therefore considered one of the most isolated and pure dog breeds in the world, especially as no interbreeding with other breeds of dogs is allowed. It is a very strong polar spitz, built for endurance and strenuous work as a sledge dog under arctic conditions. Some variation in size is allowed, assuming working ability and harmony are not affected. Actually, different types of Greenland dogs exist according to the region. Even though forming a heterogeneous group, the occasional back-breeding to wolves described above may explain why the gene pool kept so close to the parent stock.

Morphologically the breed has kept close to the original dog. At regular intervals Greenland dogs were bred back to Arctic wolves. When the Greenland female dogs were in heat they were tethered far outside the Inuit camp so that they could be mated by dog wolves.

Many sources mention that Greenland dogs were used for seal hunting, but that does not imply that they were used as hunting dogs in the common sense of the word. The were used for transport to the hunting sites and to assist the hunter in locating seal breathing holes in the ice and transporting the hunting gear. After the hunt they would haul the meat back to the camp. Note that traditional seal hunting techniques do not necessarily rely on the use of dogs; kayak hunting in the open water season, hunting with nets fastened to icebergs and hunting from the ice with the use of a white screen (where a single hunter crawls towards the seal, lying on the ice hidden behind the screen), are all common seal hunting techniques in which the dog's action is not inherently required and could even give away the presence of the hunter. What is true is that hunting was facilitated by the use of dogs in the sense that they allowed the use of highly developed sleds for mobile seal hunting on the ice, but they were not used as 'hunting dogs' in the sense we usually intend it. In polar bear hunting, Greenland dogs are sometimes used to bring the bear to bay.

The Greenland dog's body is strong and rather compact, just slightly longer than height at the withers. The coat consists of a soft, dense undercoat and an outer coat of dense, straight and coarse hair, without curl or wave. On the head and legs the hair is rather short, while long on the underside of the tail, giving it a bushy appearance. Any color - solid or particolored - is permitted, except albinos.

The nose is big and dark, corresponding to the coat color, often liver in dogs with red-golden coat. The nose may turn pink during winter (« winter-nose »). Dark eyes are preferred, but any color in accordance with to coat is accepted. Blue eyes are considered a fault. The expression should be frank and bold, never shy. The eye-rims are closely fitting.

When seen from the front when walking, a Greenland Dog does not single track, but as the speed increases, the legs will gradually converge inwards until the feet follow the center line.


Greenland dogs show a mentally strong and bold character and tireless endurance. However, they are not suited as guard dogs. They are very friendly in nature, even to strangers and not really attached to one person in particular. The are especially suited for people enjoying out-door activities.

Greenland Dog
(Greenlander, Grønlandshund)
Catherine Marien-de Luca for Dog Breeds of the World 2004-2010 © All rights reserved by and

Also of interest, though not really relevent as far as recent ancestry since it happened many thoushands of years ago, is that both the Greenland Dog and Siberian Husky have DNA evidence supporting that they interbred with a now long extinct prehistoric species of wolf called the Taymyr Wolf:

In 1975, a study was made of ancient canid remains dated to the Late Pleistocene and early Holocene that had been uncovered by miners decades earlier around Fairbanks, Alaska. These were identified as Canis lupus and described as "short-faced wolves". The collection was separated into those specimens that looked more wolf-like (i.e. the Beringian wolf), and those that looked more dog-like and in comparison to the skulls of Eskimo dogs from both Greenland and Siberia thought to be their forerunners.[1]

Nearly all dog breed's genetic closeness to the gray wolf is due to admixture.[2] However, several Arctic dog breeds show a genetic closeness with the now-extinct Taymyr wolf of North Asia due to admixture. These breeds are associated with high latitudes - the Siberian husky and Greenland dog that are also associated with arctic human populations, and to a lesser extent the Shar Pei and Finnish spitz. An admixture graph of the Greenland dog indicates a best-fit of 3.5% shared material, however an ancestry proportion ranging between 1.4% and 27.3% is consistent with the data. This indicates admixture between the Taymyr wolf population and the ancestral dog population of these 4 high-latitude breeds. This introgression could have provided early dogs living in high latitudes with phenotypic variation beneficial for adaption to a new and challenging environment. It also indicates the ancestry of present-day dog breeds descends from more than one region.

The quote was from wiki, but here's an article about it that I'm too lazy to copy-paste. Lol. XD: ... years.html

Canadian Inuit Dogs

The Canadian Eskimo Dog is known to have been resident in the Arctic for at least 4,000 years.[2][11] The Canadian Eskimo Dog was first bred by the Thule people, while research has shown that it is related to the Greenland Dog, with very little significant genetic differences.[12] It is sometimes considered the same breed by authorities, although the Greenland Dog can be criticized for lacking any proper breeding program, questioning its validity as a pure breed.[13] Inuit never considered the dog as part of the animal kingdom (uumajuit), but merely as a tool for human existence.[11] It was, and still is (to a very limited extent), used by the Canadian Inuit as multi-purpose dogs, often put to work hunting seals and other Arctic game, and hauling supplies and people. Explorers noted that the dogs were capable of tracking a seal hole from a great distance, and were occasionally used to hunt polar bears. The dogs were reported to be so enthusiastic in hunting bears that, sometimes, their handlers shouted "nanuq"[14] (Inuktitut name for the bear) to encourage them when pulling sledges.

The dogs however would not pursue wolves, and would howl fearfully at their approach.[15] Frozen dog urine was used by Inuit as a medicine, and their fur was more prized than that of wolves, due to its greater resistance to wear.[11][16] In times of famine, the dogs would be used as an emergency food source.[11] Though once assumed to be a tamed wolf or wolf-dog hybrid by explorers,[15] including Charles Darwin due to similarities in appearance and vocalisations,[17] genetic testing has shown that the Eskimo dog has no recent wolf ancestry.[18]

e breed is currently threatened with extinction. In the 19th century and early 20th century, this breed was still in demand for polar expeditions, and approximately 20,000 dogs lived in the Canadian Arctic in the 1920s. However, the breed had declined significantly by the 1960s. The breed had once been accepted for showing by both the American Kennel Club (AKC) and the Canadian Kennel Club (CKC), however in 1959 the AKC dropped the breed from its registry because of extremely low numbers.[19]

Since the 1970s, the Eskimo Dog Research Foundation (EDRF) and Brian Ladoon have worked to increase the breed's numbers. The EDRF was founded in 1972 by William Carpenter and John McGrath and was largely funded by the Canadian Government and the Northwest Territories Government, with some support from the CKC.[20] The EDRF purchased dogs from the small (about 200 dogs) population remaining in the Canadian Arctic from remote Inuit camps on Baffin Island, Boothia Peninsula, and Melville Peninsula.[20] The EDRF then began breeding dogs in order to increase numbers.

Brian Ladoon also bought dogs in the 1970s from the northern communities of Canada and started breeding after being given the mission of saving them by Bishop Omer Alfred Robidoux of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Churchill-Baie d'Hudson. He switched from Malamutes and Huskies to the CED, and after breeding for 30 years still has the largest genetic stock colony of Canadian Eskimo Dogs in the world. The modern breed originated from a relatively high number of founders, thus ensuring sufficient genetic variability to avoid inbreeding.

The Canadian Eskimo Dog is currently used in sled dog teams that entertain tourists and for commercial polar bear hunting. By law, polar bear hunting in the Northwest Territories and Nunavut must be conducted by dog team.[21][22] The requirement is partly for safety reasons; the working dog can better sense when a polar bear is around, whereas the sound of a snowmobile motor masks any sign of a polar bear. On May 1, 2000, the Canadian territory of Nunavut officially adopted the "Canadian Inuit Dog" as the animal symbol of the territory,[2][23] thus sealing the name of their traditional dog (qimmiq) in the Inuktitut language.

Hedlund Husky

A year ago, a freight musher friend, Linda Fredericksen, introduced me to her new puppy, a Hedlund Husky. From Linda, I learned that the Hedlund Husky is an Alaskan Husky line developed from Siberian, Alaskan interior village dog and old wolf. Native Alaskans, Nels and Rose Hedlund, homesteaded in Illiamna in the mid-1900’s and bred racing dogs, which, at that time, meant dogs that could handle difficult trail conditions and heavy loads. Both Nels and Rose have died, and Kim Fitzgerald of Wasilla, Alaska, continues to develop and maintain this rare line.


The breed website:

What appears to be a breeder of these dogs:

Another interesting tidbit is that the Hedlund husky also appears to be one of the foundation breeds for the Tamaskan according to the official website:

Bohemian Shepherd

The Bohemian Shepherd is a breed of herding dog native to the Czech Republic. Perhaps the oldest of all native Czech breeds, the Bohemian Shepherd can trace its history back to the 14th Century, and possibly earlier. This dog was developed centuries before the creation of Czechoslovakia and is considered to be exclusively Czech, rather than Czechoslovakian. A versatile working dog, the Bohemian Shepherd has traditionally served as a family companion and guard dog in addition to its role as a herder. After it nearly became extinct as a result of World War II, the breed is experiencing a major resurgence in popularity in its homeland, though it remains essentially unknown elsewhere. The Bohemian Shepherd is also known as the Bohemian Sheepdog, Bohemian Herder, Chodsky Pes, Chodenhund, Czech Shepherd, Czech Sheepdog, and Czech Herder.

Almost nothing is known for sure about the history of the Bohemian Shepherd because the breed was developed many centuries prior to the keeping of written records of dog breeding and in any case was primarily kept by illiterate farmers. What is known for sure is that the breed developed in the heavily forested southwestern portion of the Kingdom of Bohemia (now part of the Czech Republic) and that it appeared no later than the 1300’s. Although it is unclear if they developed the breed themselves or acquired it from others, the breed first enters the written record as the companions of the Chodove, a unique subset of the Czech people who have lived in the region since the 14th Century. The Bohemian Shepherd is very similar in appearance to a number of other Continental sheepherding breeds, especially the German Shepherd, Belgian Sheepdog, and Dutch Shepherd. Although these breeds are much better known around the world, all are significantly younger than the Bohemian Shepherd and may be descended from it.

The homeland of the Bohemian Shepherd has had one of the most turbulent histories of anywhere in Europe. Since the fall of the Roman Empire, the region known as Bohemia has seen countless battles, invasions, and waves of immigration. Located in almost the dead center of Europe, Bohemia sits right between a number of different cultures, languages, religions, and nations most of which have involved themselves in the region. The region’s longest standing and most intense struggles have been between the Germanic and Slavic peoples, both of which have inhabited and attempted to dominate Bohemia since at least the 1st Century A.D. Eventually, most of Bohemia (and the neighboring region of Moravia) came to be inhabited and controlled by Czech speakers, although German-speakers remained dominant in certain areas such as the Sudetenland and all of Bohemia was a member state of the German-dominated Holy Roman Empire.

One of the most wild and disputed parts of Bohemia was the country’s southwest. Much of the area is covered by the Bohemian Forest, one of the few remaining major wilderness areas in Europe. Sparsely populated by humans since time immemorial, the Bohemian Forest was home to significant numbers of major predators such as wolves and bears until quite recently. Part of the reason for the region’s lack of population is that it has long served as a border between the major regional powers of Bavaria, Austria, and Bohemia, and has been heavily disputed by all three for many centuries.

The result of this great instability and competition was that the Kings of Bohemia constantly needed to protect their lands, especially the border regions. In order to do so, they recruited the Chodove, which translates in English to, “Rangers,” “Patrollers,” or “Walkers.” The exact origin of the Chodove is disputed, with different experts claiming that they were originally Silesians, Poles, or Czechs and that they were either driven from or voluntarily left their homes in either Silesia or Poland. The Chodove were invited to settle the Bohemian Forest, provided that they swore loyalty to the King of Bohemia and defending the territory from rival Germanic powers. One of the major factors in the success of the Chodove was their dogs, which proved to be of great assistance to them in their national defense efforts. Their dogs became known in Czech as the Chodsky Pes and in German as the Chodenhund, both meaning “Chodove Dog.” The relationship between the Chodove and the Bohemian nobility was formally codified in 1325, when the Bohemian King John of Luxembourg granted significant unique rights and freedoms to the Chodove in exchange for their continuing service. Included in these unique rights was special permission to keep large guard dogs, which were otherwise illegal for commoners to own. These special ownership rights were one of the first formal historical mentions of the Bohemian Shepherd.

It is unclear where the Chodove first acquired their dogs. Some have suggested that they brought them with them from Silesia or Poland, others that they were native to the Bohemian Forest, and still others that the Chodove acquired them after they arrived in the area. The relationship of the breed is also unclear. It has been suggested that the Bohemian Shepherd was descended from other herding dogs, Pinscher/Schnauzer-type farm dogs, Spitzen, some combination of the three, or possibly even a dog/wolf hybrid.

Pakistani Shepherd Dog

The Pakistani Shepherd Dog is a breed from Pakistan that has been used for herding and protection for centuries. The word “Bhagyari” comes from the root word of the Punjabi language "Bhagyaar," which means "wolf." "Kutta" means "dog." This breed is mostly found in the province of Punjab and Sindh in Pakistan. There are different theories on the origin of the Bhagayari Kutta. According to the most popular theory, the Pakistani Shepherd Dog originated between a wolf and a domestic dog of some type, hence the name Pakistani Shepherd Dog (meaning “wolf dog”). If you have ever seen an Asian (Pakistani) Wolf, you will see that the Pakistani Shepherd Dog really resembles that type of wolf.

Shiloh Shepherd

There are countless websites on the internet regarding Shiloh Shepherds. All the ISSR (registry) and SSDCA (club) websites are owned and operated by the breed’s founder. As individuals who have been involved in the breed for many years, we understand how confusing the multi-club, multi-registry situation must appear to people who are new to the breed. We are the ISSDC (club), and our associated registries are the TSSR, NSBR, and SSBA. This page was written to hopefully clarify many of the political issues encountered by those investigating the Shiloh Shepherd breed.

Outcrossing: “If it’s not an ISSR Shiloh Shepherd, it’s not a real Shiloh Shepherd”. This continuously rehashed statement by the breed's founder is incredibly misleading and most definitely false. The only dogs in any Shiloh Shepherd pedigrees that are not Shiloh Shepherds are those that were intentionally brought in as outcrosses to maintain genetic diversity and expand the gene pool. The breed’s founder has brought in numerous outcrosses of her own, going to the extent of telling people they were Shiloh Shepherds when they were not. As far as we know, the first ISSR, non-German Shepherd outcross was Secret Sampson Woo. He is rumored to have been anything from an Alaskan Malamute to a Mackenzie Valley Timber Wolf. However its doubtful if the truth will ever be provable at this point in time. Artus (the second known outcross) is an Altdeutsche Shaferhunde, which translates to Old (Alt) Deutsche (German) Shafer (Shepherd) Hunde (Dog). There are no online resources to his kennel of origin, and it appears that since his breeder is not involved with any ADS clubs, it’s doubtful that our breed's founder's claims of “generations of health/pedigree data” would have been possible to obtain in the first place.

Shortly after Artus, Orbit from Hoofprint Farms was introduced to our genepool. Orbit comes from a well respected breeder of Canadian Kennel Club registered White German Shepherd Dogs who is extremely knowledgeable on her lines. There is no question as to the posterity of the data on her dogs. The next ISSR outcross is an alleged wolf-dog who was secretly introduced in 2002, being a bitch named Chani. When her wolf heritage was publicly bragged about by the breed’s founder, many puppy buyers were informed and became extremely upset at being severely mislead. The most recent ISSR outcross was another “secret” work in progress by the breed’s founder, although not entirely secret. Tina Barber of New York State was listed as being the buyer of a Czech Wolf Dog on the European Club's website, and then her name was shortly changed to Tina Barker. Eyewitnesses have met this Czech Wolf Dog at New Zion kennels, yet the existence of this dog was publicly denied. After siring just one litter, we have learned that this outcross died at a young age at the founder's kennel.

There is limited public pedigree and health data for most of the founders ISSR outcrosses with no forthcoming data in sight. By comparison, the few select "TSSR, NSBR and SSBA " outcrosses maintain publicly accountable pedigrees, in addition to proven health and temperament documentation. Yes, they’re all “old style German Shepherd Dogs” but that’s what this breed was built upon.

The goal of out-crossing should be to maintain the look and temperament of the Shiloh Shepherd, while introducing diversity into the gene pool. When people pay in excess of a thousand dollars for a dog, the pedigree better contain full accountability.

Breed website: ... r-side.htm

Norwegian Elkhound

Elkhounds, because of their stable temperaments, are often used to breed with wolves, to create the hybrids that are gaining popularity. Wolf-hybrids may be "cool" but they are inherently dangerous, and in many states are prohibited, or strictly regulated. New York is one such state. The reason for this is because of the number of dogs (even ordinary pets, not just wolf-hybrids) that are turned out and abandoned. When left to roam, dogs (and wolves) form packs that can be dangerous to our society. The US Government is carefully reintroducing the wolf population into the United States. Wolf-hybrids are like a wild card here, and they are often bred illegally.

We encourage you to understand the distinction between domestic dogs and wolves. Norwegian Elkhounds are domestic dogs, a breed that is over 6,000 years old, and a well-known companion of man. Wolves are wolves, temperamentally and physically different.

Sometimes a wolf-hybrid is bred back into an Elkhound line and is passed off as an Elkhound. We have seen this happen with so-called "pedigreed" dogs that came from pet shops, with another pedigree other than AKC. One came to us as a rescue, because it was uncontrollable for an unsuspecting family that simply wanted a pet. It was a shame, because these people paid $800 in 1996 for the dog, from a pet store.

The clearest indication of a compromised pedigree is this: any other face mask color other than pure black (older dogs may have a gray muzzle); any brown tint to the dog's coat. Norwegian Elkhound puppies usually don't show the bright colors of the adults.


Also, of interest, though not relevant as far as recent ancestry as it seems to have happened thousands of years ago, is this little tidbit from wikipedia:

Genetically, the breed falls into a haplogroup sub-clade called d1 by researchers, and it is only found in Scandinavia. It is the result of a female wolf-male dog hybridization that has occurred post-domestication.[1][2] The northern Scandinavian subclade d2 originated 480-3,000 years before present and is found in all Sami-related breeds: Finnish Lapphund, Swedish Lapphund, Lapponian Herder, Jamthund and Norwegian Elkhound. The maternal wolf sequence that contributed to them has not been matched across Eurasia[3] and its branch is phylogenetically rooted in the same sequence as the 33,000 year-old Altai dog (not a direct ancestor).[4]

Lapponian Herder (Lapland Reindeer Dog) (Reindeer Herding Dog/ Reindeer Herder, etc.)

Swedish Laphund

Finnish Laphund

Swedish Elkhound (Jamthund)

Mackenzie River Husky

The "Mackenzie River Husky" is a catch all name, that can describe vastly different dogs depending on who is using that name. It can be used as follows: the mythical best northern sled dog ever; as a sales tool to sell mixed breed mutts or unwanted litters; in plain ignorance because someone said that’s what the dog was; someone trying to recreate the breed based on the falsehood that they are a mix of wolf, malamute and St. Bernard or some other unlikely working dog combination ion; or the truth that they are a freight husky, all but extinct.

I am an Alaskan born resident who first came across these magnificent huskies when I moved to an interior Alaskan bush community in the mid-1970’s. My research and consequential breeding program began in 1990 after the passing on of my last freight husky. In complete ignorance, I started asking questions and researching libraries for the truth instead of rumors and myths surrounding these dogs, and at the same time trying to locate any that resembled my old working huskies. I kept getting conflicting information both from people and from the small amount of published information I could find. I looked at a motley variety of dogs with only a precious few resembling my huskies, all claiming to be Mackenzie River Huskies.

The truth began to unfold after interviewing old-timers: Ed Moody, Norman Vaughan, both involved with the Admiral Byrd’ s Antarctic Expeditions in the 1920’s and 1930’s; retired Canadian Mountie during 1950’s and 1960’s, Sandy Saunderson; author Lorna Coppinger of The World of Sled Dogs, copyright 1977; Alaskan trappers, mailrunners, and guides to name a few Joe Dehlia, John Schultz, Bob Schlentner; Canadian dog driver, Larry "Cowboy" Smith; and many others from trips up the Demster Highway to the Northern reaches of Canada and then east to the Great Slave Lakes region. Bill Carpenter of Yellowknife, who received a grant in the 1970’s to bring back the Canadian Eskimo Dog, also known as the Greenland Husky, was gracious enough to share his research documentation on the sled dog with me. These valuable documents dated from the present back to the 1530’s.

What all this research disclosed, leaving out dissertations on the influence of the Gold Rush, the separation of the AKC Siberians and Alaskan Malamutes in the 1930’s, and the high arctic aboriginal husky, is the emergence of the freight huskies more or less below the arctic circle during a traceable time span of 100 years, starting in the mid to late 1800's. These huskies were separately and distinctly developed for small working teams capable of hauling large loads through deep snow, woodland trails, and hilly or mountainous terrain while consuming limited and erratic food sources. Each village or community, separated by hundreds to thousands of miles, developed amazingly similar characteristics based on their similar need. The resulting huskies were tall (27" to 32" at the shoulder), long legged and rangy built, averaging around 90 pounds, never exceeding 125 pounds, long backed with deep chests allowing them to run in a single track, foot-in-front-of-foot gait. Differences occur cosmetically in coloration, markings, and ear position. Social bonding, pack mentality, build and gait reflect the wolf influence which naturally occurs when you have sled dogs in remote environments. Wolf traits such as being unpredictable, unmanageable, skittish, or untrustworthy with children where culled out. The resulting temperament is one of a high social order, raising pups together, working well with team members once hierarchy is established, viewing their people as extensions of the pack. They are willing workers once they realize that they get to run with their ‘pack’ and view you as the alpha dog. This respect is earned or learned from the others and is not automatically given. With respect to their nature and evolution comes the responsibility of owning one of these huskies, they are not for the first time dog owner.

My research has clarified the limited published misinformation about "Mackenzie River Huskies." The Mackenzie Hound, as is referred to by Northern Canadians, was a mix of domestic dogs like St. Bernards, Newfoundlands or Mastiffs with the huskies to produce a "townie dog," far different from the trail proven freight huskies I know as Mackenzie River Huskies. These Hounds are not freight huskies (Mackenzie River Huskies). This Hound versus Husky explains some other researchers’ confusion. On page 42 of the World of Sled Dogs, "Some of the best freighting dogs were the Mackenzie River Huskies (often called Porcupine River dogs), weighing up to 165 pounds and loving to pull. These dogs were a cross between native sled dogs and the large, imported domestic breed." And then the contradiction on page 212 when referring to the beginning of the breeding down for racing dogs, "These tough hybrids provided a speedy tenacity, and when interbred with the bigger Alaskan Malamute or the Mackenzie River Husky (the biggest of the natural sled dog breeds from Canada), produced a racing sled dog to suit most of the early competitors." From Sled Dog Encyclopedia Volume Two on Canadian Sled Dogs, "One of the favorite strains of so-called "Huskies" used by the Mounties was the Mackenzie River Husky. These dogs have been variously described as part Eskimo dog and wolf to a mixture of several of the larger breeds such as Labrador, Newfoundland and Saint Bernard."

The catchy name "Mackenzie River Husky" was coined from newcomers seeing the freight huskies and not being able to differentiate the different villages while passing through an area. The locals knew the huskies by their different villages, naming them accordingly: Old Crow dogs, Ft. McPherson dogs, Red Mackenzie River Husky,Arctic Red dogs, Porcupine River dogs, Hay River dogs, etc. The name really took hold in the 1960’s, from which the distortions grew, especially as the freight husky began to disappear.

The demise of these magnificent huskies began in the 1960’s as a result of several factors: the introduction of the snowmachine; the discovery of oil and consequential formation of Native Corporations whose dividends allowed the people to afford snowmachines; the Canadian government efforts to stop native sovereignty by the mass killing of dog teams in the 1950-1960’s under the guise of eradicating rabies; and profitable sled dog racing that resulted in the development of a breed of small, high strung, running machines.

What has allowed me to find breeding stock is the 1960’s movement that sent Vietnam Vets, draft dodgers, and hippies to the interior of Alaska to try a subsistence life style. A few hardy souls remain in bush communities that still have these huskies and a few crusty old trappers. The few I found in Canada were so intermingled with the racing lines, that little of the old blood line remains. If anyone knows differently, please contact me.

Another common misconception is that the Mackenzie River Husky is a long-haired dog. The long-haired gene is found in all husky breeds and in the wolf. The people who worked huskies considered this to be a fault and so gave these dogs away usually to townie folk or ignorant hippies. So these long-haired huskies were commonly seen, not their littermates back in the bush. From Report of the Fifth Thule Expedition 1921-24, "The Caribou Eskimos" by Kay Burkit-Smith. "Besides the usual dog, Eskimos everywhere have another breed that is not exactly uncommon, the so called merqujog-dogs which differ from the others in having long, soft hair and consequently with quite a different appearance. Possibly this is an ancient breed which has once been common and now appears occasionally as a throw-back. The longhaired merqujogs also occur among the Central Eskimos. I believe they are just as common there as in Greenland, but certain supernatural powers are ascribed to teams consisting entirely of them; it is my impression—one that lacks complete confirmation—that a merqujog is always more holy than an ordinary dog." Well, I happen to concur that the long-haired freight huskies are very special. They maintain eye contact and have a high intelligence that is sometimes just plain spooky. I can read their frustration as they try to communicate a need to me that I’m just too stupid to get. The long hair is one of the many features I breed for.


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Breeds with Rumored Wolf Ancestry (Continued) (Continued)

Native American Indian Dog(Not a breed actual owned by Native Americans, but a new "designer" breed which may or may not have low wolf contents in it)

The Native American Indian Dog is a hypoallergenic large breed dog. They are known for their intelligence and docility. They come in a variety of colorings and range in size from 23-34 inches and 55-120 lbs. They are an extremely healthy dog and have a life span of 14-19 years. There are no known genetic health defects in this breed. They are very versatile dogs and are very eager to learn and please their owners. They rarely bark and they are very good with other animals, dogs, and small children.

The Native American Indian dog is a very social animal and does best being with their owners as much as possible or with the companionship of another dog. They are most happy with a large fenced back yard where they can have time to run off leash and also do great indoors with the family so long as they can go outside and play in the backyard too. They are not crate trainable and do not do well locked up indoors alone. They have no doggy smell and rarely shed, but mulch their waterproof winter undercoat once in the spring. The Native American Indian Dog is a very athletic, hypoallergenic, happy, docile, intelligent, social dog. They are amazing!


Breed Website:

Rumor about wolf content (though to be fair the rumor is started by a breeder of another similar type of dog):

CAUTION: Within the last few years, since wolf/dogs have become illegal to breed or sell in most states, there have been wolf/dog breeders plagiarizing our many years of research and web site information in an attempt to hide their activites, and circumvent the law. We are not and never have been associated, in any way, with these "so called" breeders now using the name "Native" in front of American Indian to sell what are actually wolf/dog hybrids. These wolf hybrids are in no way the dogs of our Pre-Columbian, Native American ancestors. Don't be fooled, by people claiming to have "NATIVE American Dogs" please do your research.


And from a less biased source:

I’ve been looking to a breed that is currently being offered on various websites. It is called Native American Indian Dog, and every description of them I have found has been contradictory. (Check out Dog Breed Info for photographs.)

Whatever these dogs are, they are wolfish animals that vary greatly in size. Some are as small as 55 pounds, while other exceed 100 pounds in weight.

Here is what they possibly could be:

Dogs from the Reservations: Either real ones or re-creations of the supposed type. Indigenous Americans were actually excellent dog breeders. People often assume that all of these dogs looked like wolves, for the Indians were not “civilized” enough to selectively breed dogs. This assumption has a degree of cultural supremacy and more than just a little taint of racism. However, there are historical accounts of Native American dogs on the Great Plains having very friendly relations with wolves, including occasional interbreeding. Of course, if you read that particular source, the original Native American dogs of the Great Plains became extinct as European dogs and European-derived dogs arrived there.

Regular wolf hybrids or derivatives of wolfish shepherds. These dogs look like long-haired Saarloos Wolfhonds, and although some are spotted, they do have a wolfish look to them. They could also be derived from wolfish shepherds like the Tamaskan and the Alsatian Shepalute. These dogs very much remind me of the latter, which are mixture of GSD, Malamute, Anatolian shepherd, and Great Pyrenees. (The AS is supposed to be a domesticated re-creation of the dire wolf, if you can imagine anything so fanciful!)

Chinook and Malamute crosses: There are Chinook dogs with erect ears, and there are Malamutes of this type. Those could definitely be a possiblity. I see some of the Malamute’s markings in some of these dogs, just they lack the same tail carriage.

All of these and more. It is likely that these dogs descend from multiple sources. It’s likely that the breeders of these dogs are looking for a phenotype, not a genotype. One thing I noticed is that these dogs always have a trait for very webbed feet. Where could you get that? I’ve never heard of any dogs with very webbed feet that were not wolf-like, except for this one and this one and this one. (Well, there are a bunch of them!)

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Svensk Varghund (Svenska Wolfdog)

It's hard to find any info on this breed in English, but it appears to be a Swedish breed similar to a Northern Inuit, Utonagan, Tamaskan,etc.,perhaps a breed intended as a wolf look-alike as well. It may or may not have wolf in it. The breed was actually used as one of the foundation breeds for the Tamaskan according to the Tamaskan Dog's official website.

Here's a facebook page about the Svensk Varghund:

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Topic starter Posted : June 2, 2016 8:33 pm
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Really cool list. I read that about the Tamaskans a few years ago about some having wolf markers, but never read the official blurb about in on their site. The UC Davis test is accurate though, so I think that's them just being hopeful still.

I'm surprised there's "so few," but then again, I guess there wouldn't be too many actual breeds.

Thanks. I've literally been working on this topic for like 5 days. I'm glad someone read it. I added more breeds. I just finally finished listing all the breeds I know of that are rumored to be related to wolves in some way in my last two posts. I will do all the breeds rumored to be related to other canids (including the Red Wolf as I'm treating that seperately from all the other breeds rumored to be part gray wolf since the red wolf is a different species) in my next post.

As for the Tamaskan, they actually list actual Wolfdogs (as in actual recent wolf to dog crossing, called "American Wolfdogs" by those in Europe for some reason) as well as breeds which are known to have wolf used in the creation, but many years ago, like the Czech Wolfdog and Saarloos Wolfhond. Here are all the foundation dogs with known or suspected relations to wolves either pure wolves/ wolf hybrids or Czech Wolfdog or Saarloos Wolfdog.


* Oskari is suspected to be a pure Czech Wolfdog with the name of Oxbow Leva-Neve.

Note: Oskari is Dingo's sire/father.


* Ivan is suspected to be a High Content Amercian Wolfdog with the name of Boogie.

Note: Ivan is Jodie's father/sire.

Personally, to me, just be looking at this dog, I can see that she seems to have a lot of wolf content. Her face and head shape especially looks extremely wolfy.


* Oskari is suspected to be a pure Czech Wolfdog with the name of Oxbow Leva-Neve.

Note: Oskari is Jackal's sire/father.

White Fang/Valko

* Ivan is suspected to be a High Content Amercian Wolfdog with the name of Boogie.

Note: Ivan is White Fang/Valko's sire/father.

Xolotl z Peronowki/Yukon

Breed: Czech Valk

Note: Czech Valk is another name for the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog.

Apache Horse/ Bobbi

Breed: Saarloos Wolfdog


Breed: Mix
Date of Birth: 26 April, 2011
Sire: Storm,
Siberian Husky x White Swiss Shepherd
Dam: Sitah,
German Shepherd x Saarloos Wolfdog

Lupo vom Fenriersgard (Lupo)

Breed: American Wolfdog
Date of Birth: 06 February, 2010
Sire: Brzo of Male Kuryak
Dam: Mette of Southern Breeze Wolfranch

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Topic starter Posted : June 2, 2016 9:11 pm
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White Fang and Jodie are definitely wolfdogs, just by phenotype alone. I'm surprised so many were in denial concerning the wolf content in the breed with animals like that.

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Posted : June 2, 2016 9:32 pm
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Every time I see a picture of a Blue Bay Shepherd I want to go buy one, heehee. They're just so beautiful. As are the Alaskan Noble Companion dogs. Wolf genes make doggies prettier. At least in my opinion anyway, lol.

Yeah, I can tell you must have spent a long time on this list, lol. Very, very thorough and a great guide for anyone interested in these dog breeds or in wolfdogs. Really nice work.

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Posted : June 2, 2016 9:43 pm
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Breeds with Rumored Wild Canid Ancestry (Excluding Gray Wolves)

Catahoula Leopard Dog (Catahoula Cur)(Rumored Red Wolf Ancestry)

The Catahoula Cur is an American dog breed named after Catahoula Parish, Louisiana, United States. After becoming the state dog of Louisiana in 1979, its name was officially changed to Louisiana Catahoula Leopard Dog. The breed is sometimes referred to as the "Catahoula Hound" or "Catahoula Leopard Hound" because of its spots, although it is not a true hound but a cur. It is also called the "Catahoula Hog Dog", reflecting its traditional use in hunting wild boar.

Both the Catahoula lineage and the origins of the name "Catahoula" are uncertain, but there are various theories.

One theory posits that the Catahoula is the result of Native Americans having bred their own dogs with molossers and greyhounds brought to Louisiana by Hernando de Soto in the 16th century. As for the aforementioned Native American dog breeds, for a time it was believed that they were bred with or from red wolves, but this idea is not supported by modern DNA analysis. Several recent studies[1] have looked at the remains of prehistoric dogs from American archaeological sites and each has indicated that the genetics of prehistoric American dogs are similar to European and Asian domestic dogs rather than wild New World canids. In fact, these studies indicate that Native Americans brought several lines (breeds) of already domesticated dogs with them on their journeys from Asia to North America.[2]

Another theory suggests that the breed originated three centuries later, some time in the 19th century, after French settlers introduced the Beauceron to the North American continent. The French told of strange-looking dogs with haunting glass eyes that were used by the Indians to hunt game in the swamp.,[3] and the theory states that the Beauceron and the Red Wolf/war dog were interbred to produce the Catahoula.

There are two theories regarding the origin of the word 'Catahoula.' One theory is that the word is a combination of two Choctaw words 'okhata', meaning lake, and 'hullo', meaning beloved. Another possibility is that the word is a French transformation of the Choctaw Indian word for their own nation, 'Couthaougoula' pronounced 'Coot-ha-oo-goo-la'.(Don Abney)

In 1979, Governor Edwin Edwards signed a bill making the Catahoula the official state dog of Louisiana in recognition of their importance in the history of the region.[4]

Catahoulas are highly intelligent and energetic. They are assertive but not aggressive by nature. Catahoulas in general are very even tempered. Males tend to be more obnoxious than females, but Catahoulas are very serious about their job if they are working dogs. They make a good family dog but will not tolerate being isolated, so interaction with the dog is a daily requirement. When a Catahoula is raised with children, the dog believes that it is his or her responsibility to look after and protect those children. Many owners will say that the Catahoula owns them and they can be insistent when it's time to eat or do other activities. Catahoulas are protective and a natural alarm dog. They will alert one to anything out of the ordinary.


These dogs are outstanding bay dogs, or tracking and hunting dogs. They have been known to track animals from miles away, and have been used for hunting feral pigs, squirrel, deer, raccoon, mountain lion, and black bear. They often track silently and only begin to make their distinctive baying bark, eye to eye with the prey, once it is stopped, and hold it in position without touching the animal; using only posture, eyecontact, and lateral shifts.

Catahoulas have been introduced in the Northern Territory of Australia where they have been found to be a superior hunting dog for pigs by breeders.[10] They have been introduced in New Zealand as well as Australia, but the number of Catahoulas there is unclear.


They are used primarily for herding cattle, and pigs by a method of antagonizing and intimidation of herd animals as opposed to the method of all day boundary patrol and restricting the animals being herded from entering or leaving the designated area.[11] Herding instincts and trainability can be measured at noncompetitive herding tests. Catahoulas exhibiting basic herding instincts can be trained to compete in cow/hog dog trials.[12]

The breed is recognized by the United Kennel Club and the American Kennel Club under the "herding dog" breed group.[13][14][15]

There are three lines:

The Wright line: The Wright Line was the largest line of Catahoulas at 90 to 110 pounds (40 to 50 kg) and was developed by Mr. Preston Wright. This line represented dogs originally produced from Hernando de Soto's dogs.
The Fairbanks line: The Fairbanks line was the next in size at 65 to 75 pounds (30 to 35 kg) and were developed by Mr. Lovie Fairbanks. They were brindle to yellow in color.
The McMillin line: The McMillin line was known to be Blue Catahoulas with glass eyes the smallest in size at 50 to 60 pounds (about 25 kg) and were developed by Mr. T. A. McMillin of Sandy Lake, Louisiana. These were Blue Catahoula dogs with glass eyes.[18]

These three lines were crossed back and forth and created the variations of Catahoulas seen today.[19]

American Indian Dog (Rumored Coyote Ancestry)

Well, I can say the same for Song Dog Kennels.
Suppose to be a recreation af a Plains Indian Dog. But the problem is
they aren't. They are Kelpie mixes plain and simple. But it's sad in a way
because some people buy into the mystical aspect of his website
and think they are buying something that was extinct and now isn't.
They think their dogs are "healers" Not to be confused with HEELERS
which he has used. He has said he has never used coyotes in his breeding,
but if you look at a dog that is sitting on his lap under Breeding Backwards, THAT is a coy hybrid. I know where he got that dog. And a few others. He doesn't breed for temperment at all. Anything wrong with the dogs it's always the owners fault. I know of many "pedigrees"
with the parents of their pups and grandparents, and they are false.
Made up names. Pretty honest, huh? One year that I know of he had close to a hundred pups. I see Karen has quite a few now too.
It's just too bad. He claims himself a genetics expert. I could go on.
I just don't like people being taken. I was one

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Interestingly, the same source also discusses the Native American Dog and claims that the breeder of the Native American Indian dogs used to breed high content wolfdogs, but when they became illegal in Michigan, she shot all her high content wolfdogs and kept the low content wolfdogs and renamed them as Native American Indian dogs. I don't know if that's true or not though. I hope she didn't really shoot them and sell their pelts. :/ I was ok with both American Indian Dogs and Native American Indian dogs being "scam mutts" and not really almost extinct breeds or recreations of extinct breeds, but I'm not ok with someone shooting their own animals, so I now I'm really conflicted about the Native American Indian Dogs. However, I'm still ok with the American Indian Dogs.

The Native American Dog is thought to be of similar descent as the Dingo. It is believed to be the missing link to the first domesticated dogs in the world dating back over 12,000 years.

Different migrating groups and traders, (Vikings and other earlier visitors) entered North and South America sometimes bringing their dogs. The native Americans bred these Old World aboriginal dogs with the native Coyote to become a distinct breed that is called the Plains, Hair, or Common Native Dog. While these medium sized Common Native Dogs were mainly found within the Plains Indian Groups (in early 1700's an estimated 300,000 just within the plains area). All over the Americas from the far north to the distant south, similar medium sized dogs were being bred for specific reasons and abilities. However, by the late 1800's they were believed to be completely eliminated or assimilated by the onslaught of European immigrant culture.

Today, our breeding program's goals include maintaining the mystical appearance and excellent working temperament of the original "Spiritual Dogs" of the past, and emphasizing their loyal nurturing, and herding instincts that help them (and us) survive this fast moving society . After near extinction I would like to believe the Plains Indian Dogs, and their aboriginal cousins in the Americas and around the globe, still have a place left in this world.

The American Indian Dog makes a good family pet and excels in herding, search and rescue, agility, obedience, fly ball games and sled dog racing, etc., etc. It's the perfect all around native "mutt", without the genetic health problems commonly found in other, so called, pure breeds.

Modern History of the American Indian Dog
By Kim La Flamme 1986

No one will probably ever know exactly what types of Indian Dogs every Nation or Tribe had, unless they were there at the time. With the amount of years that have passed there aren’t any of the older Elders left who lived with The Dogs before white mans dogs began mixing blood with them, but with research and study all the pieces begin to fit back together.

My Great Grandmother was Blackfoot and/or Iroquois, and it is said that when she married my Great Grandfather she brought with her several Dogs, as her dowry. These were probably the old trap-line Dogs, as they migrated down from Canada. These Dogs are the same as the Common or Plains type. My Grandfather still had a few of the off spring of some of these Dogs; I was fascinated with their versatility and loyalty. They were still being used for hunting and herding. My Grandfather said, “They could do the work of a dozen good men.” As a boy I often spoke to Elders about the Dogs and tried to gather as much information as I could on them. They all seemed to differ slightly depending on the area, and what they were used for. From all the research, it appeared that generally the large wolf-types were found just in the far north for pulling large loads, and weren’t needed for their loyalty or other abilities. The medium sized coyote-types were mainly found amongst the Plains groups, but this seems to not always be the case. There were these medium-sized Common or Plains types found with every group from the tip of south America up to Alaska, these were the all around working type dogs. There were also smaller pug nosed dogs found here and there or long haired small sheep looking dogs, used for sheering and weaving their fur, and the hairless in South America used for heeling, but even these smaller types always had prick ears. A lot of trading went on, from the Northern most American continent to South America, even back in The Dog Days, and even more, after The Horse Days. Traded items such as tools, salt, pipestone, blankets, knowledge, culture, pots, people, dogs and later horses were exchanged. This trading of dogs has been proven, as dogs indigenous to one area have been found in another, from one end of the continent to the other. Native Americans were very well versed in selective breeding, as can be seen by the way they bred and trained the (big-dogs) horses, when they arrived. There is also evidence of Dogs used for herding turkeys, deer, buffalo and even fish.

I believe, through all my research, accounts of Spanish priests and soldiers, explorers, trappers and the Elders, that had and or saw these Dogs, that the largest population of these Common Indian Dogs were found in the Plains areas. One early explorer noted that there were over 300,000 of these dogs just amongst the Plains Indian groups. In my opinion, breeding all the various tribal dogs together is doing the same thing that was done hundreds and thousands of years ago, which makes the Plains Indian Dog the melting pot of all the working type Dogs from the north, south, east, and west. These dogs were in turn traded back to the same Plains Indians. The earliest accounts and observations of Indian Dogs say, they looked like a cross between a fox and a wolf. These early explorers had probably never seen a coyote. They also claimed they saw the Indian Dogs running wild in different areas. I believe these were either coyotes, feral Indian Dogs or both. One account felt that the Indians Dogs were a jackal derivative or cross. The jackal and coyote are very similar looking and probably closely related to both, and with the Dingo also. The Dingo was probably one of the primitive type dogs brought in by different migrating groups. Also the Vikings could have brought in their working herding collie types, way back before the big European onslaught. Because of my interest and knowledge of The Dogs, some of the Elders asked me to be the guardian of The Dogs. They said it must be a responsibility, left to me. My quest had begun!


When humans walked across land joining Asia and America more than 10,000 years ago they were followed by wild, Primitive Dogs. These ancestors of the Native Americans spread out and settled in Groups, or 'Tribes' and the dogs stayed near them where it was easy to find water and scavenge food.

Gradually, people and dogs became friends and the people provided food and the dogs guarded the camps. The dogs mated with coyotes, wolves and other dogs and gained their wolf and coyote-like appearance, intelligence and alert, natural instincts. Eventually, the dogs came to rely on the Native Americans who trained them to herd their horses and other animals, track and hunt with them, and pull light loads when the Tribe moved to another camping ground.

The different Tribes exchanged dogs for breeding purposes and a variety of 'American Indian Dog' developed. Although they varied in small ways they all kept their coyote-like appearance and natural instincts.

Mating with coyote made the dogs special for the Native Americans because one of their religious beliefs was the coyote was the first living creature on Earth. Unfortunately, the early European settlers and the soldiers sent to protect them as they took the land from the Native Americans disliked them because they thought they were too much like the wild coyote. As the number of settlers increased and the Native Americans decreased the American Indian Dog almost died and only a few remained.

They would have died out altogether if Kim La Flamme had not devoted his time to rescuing and preserving their bloodlines and ensuring the authenticity of the surviving dogs.

Kim, the founder of Song Dog Kennels in Oregon U.S.A., started with just two dogs from his own Native American relatives and over forty years has brought the breed to where there are now more than 250 certified, authentic dogs in the American Indian Dog Registry. The Registry ensures the purity of the Breed and avoids misrepresentation of coyote, wolf dog and other mixed dog breeds.

With the growing interest in our early culture and increasing knowledge of Native American history, the American Indian Dog is becoming better known in North America, and has made an appearance in Europe.

If you couldn't identify the dog that appeared in the movie 'Braveheart' with Mel Gibson, it was an authentic American Indian Dog.

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American Indian Dog
Indian Song Dog

These very special dogs were selectively bred by the Native Americans for thousands of years. These unique creatures were far more than household pets, enjoying a symbiotic relationship between man and animal that is rare in the annals of the human race.

To discover the origins of the American Indian Dog you must study the legends & history of the Native Americans themselves A trip back in time before Europeans explored the New World. Long before the introduction of the horse, the dog was there to guard, hunt, herd and carry. Their versatility made them essential to the livelihood & survival of the tribal group. The coyote-like appearance of the American Indian dog is not a coincidence. The Native Americans believed the coyote or OGods dog¹ was the first being on earth, & will be the last. Many tribes actively sought to breed their dogs with coyotes to maintain the dog¹s survival instincts, pack loyalty & high intelligence. It should never be confused with the modern hybrids that are created by breeding dogs with wolfs or coyotes. The ancestors of the American Indian Dogs have been traced back before the Ice Age, whilst they were well documented by the Spanish explorers. The largest populations were found among the North American Plains Indians, but the medium ­ sized Hare & Common Indian dogs were also recorded from the sub-artic, through Canada, different parts of the U.S. and down to the tip of South America. Based on observations made between 1780 & 1830, it was estimated that from the Comanche in the south to the Blackfoot in the north there were at least 200,000 of these dogs. Most Indian family groups had around 20 dogs on average. It is believed that the main reason the breeds almost became extinct is that they looked so coyote-like that settlers & soldiers felt as threatened by the dogs as they did by the Indians themselves. The Native Americans bred their dogs carefully.

As a boy, Kim La Flamme, part Blackfoot, used to play with these dogs. He wanted to find out more about these dogs, & was amazed to find out they were considered extinct. When he was only 14 years old he started his quest to find more dogs, by writing to every reservation & Native American organization in Canada, U.S. & Mexico. He found a few dogs of the traditional type, as well as other feral types that he believed, because of the area & their characteristics, had a lot of Indian dog blood in them. He set up a special programm to save this breed; Now more then 40 years later there are more then 200 indian dogs in the US and about 60 indian dogs in Europe. Kim is the president of the American Indian Dog Club and of Song Dog Kennels. He watches the breedingprogramm carefully and makes sure these dogs stay natural and healthy


Life Expectancy

Weight & Height
25 to 40 pounds & 18-21 inches tall

Known Health Problems

Physical Description
These dogs have a coyote like appearance. They have a long wedge-shaped muzzle. The ears are large and erect. The eyes are almond shaped and range in color from yellow to amber or blue. The nose is black or liver colored.

The Indian Dog is the most intelligent, instinctive, natural domestic animal in the world. They can be cautious of strangers. Because of the unique qualities of the American Indian Dog this uncommon breed is not for just anyone. They are very special, devoted to work and need room for exercise. It is recommended that you be a romantic nature lover and willing participant in saving a part of our native culture and history to fully enjoy a unique relationship


Living Conditions


This dog does need daily exercise

Coat Texture

Coat Colors
Variety of Colors



If you want to find out more about the American Indian Dog you can contact Wendy Schrievers of Song Dog Kennels Europe at she is one of the only 2 certified breeders in Europe and helps people to learn about the Indian Dogs


If you are interested in an American Indian Dog, make sure you do your homework. There are unscrupulous breeders who are passing off wolf and coyote hybrids as Native American Indian Dogs and these are not the same breed. For more information, check the American Indian Dog website or the International Indian Dog Owners and Breeders Association.

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Australian Kelpie(Rumored Dingo Ancestry)

The Australian Kelpie, or simply Kelpie, is an Australian sheep dog successful at mustering and droving with little or no guidance. It is a medium-sized dog and comes in a variety of colours. The Kelpie has been exported throughout the world and is used to muster livestock, primarily sheep, cattle and goats.

The breed has been separated into two distinct varieties: the Show (or Bench) Kelpie and the Working Kelpie.[2] The Show Kelpie is seen at conformation dog shows in some countries and is selected for appearance rather than working instinct, while the Working Kelpie is bred for working ability rather than appearance.[2]

he Kelpie is a soft-coated, medium-sized dog, generally with prick ears and an athletic appearance. Coat colours include black, black and tan, red, red and tan, blue, blue and tan, fawn, fawn and tan, cream, black and blue, and white and gold. The Kelpie generally weighs 14–20 kg (31–44 lb) and measures 41–51 cm (16–20 in) at the withers.[3]

Robert Kaleski published the first standard for the Kelpie in 1904. The standard was accepted by leading breeders of the time and adopted by the Kennel Club of New South Wales.[4] Contemporary breed standards vary depending on whether the registry is for working or show Kelpies. It is possible for a dog to both work and show, but options for competition in conformation shows might be limited depending on ancestry and the opinions of the kennel clubs or breed clubs involved.

In Australia, there are two separate registries for Kelpies.Working Kelpies are registered with the Working Kelpie Council (WKC)[5] and/or the Australian Sheepdog Workers Association.[6] The WKC encourages breeding for working ability, and allows a wide variety of coat colours. Show Kelpies are registered with the Australian National Kennel Council, which encourages breeding for a certain appearance and limits acceptable colours. The wide standards allowed by the WKC mean that Working Kelpies do not meet the standard for showing.

In the US, the Kelpie is not recognised as a breed by the American Kennel Club (AKC).[7] However, the United Kennel Club and the Canadian Kennel Club recognise the Kelpie and allow them to compete in official events.[8][9] As of 2015, Australian Kelpies have been accepted by the AKC as Herding Dogs allowed to compete in AKC sanctioned Sheep Herding Trials. [10]

The Working Kelpie comes in three coat types: smooth, short, and rough. The coat can be almost every colour from black through light tan or cream. Some Kelpies have a white blaze on the chest, and a few have white points. Kelpies sometimes have a double coat, which sheds out in spring in temperate climates. Agouti is not unusual, and can look like a double coat.

Working Kelpies vary in size, ranging from about 19 inches (48cm) to as much as 25 inches (63.5cm) and from 28-60 lbs (12.7-27 kg). The dog's working ability is unrelated to appearance, so stockmen looking for capable working dogs disregard the dog's appearance.

A Working Kelpie can be a cheap and efficient worker that can save farmers and graziers the cost of several hands when mustering livestock.[11] The good working Kelpies are herding dogs that will prevent stock from moving away from the stockman.[12] This natural instinct is crucial when mustering stock in isolated gorge country, where a good dog will silently move ahead of the stockman and block up the stock (usually cattle) until the rider appears. The preferred dogs for cattle work are Kelpies, often of a special line, or a Kelpie cross.[13] They will drive a mob of livestock long distances in extremes of climates and conditions. Kelpies have natural instincts for managing livestock. They will work sheep, cattle, goats, pigs, poultry, and other domestic livestock. The Kelpie's signature move is to jump on the backs of sheep and walk across the tops of the sheep to reach the other side and break up the jam. A good working Kelpie is a versatile dog—they can work all day on the farm, ranch, or station, and trial on the weekends. Kelpies compete and are exhibited in livestock working trials, ranging from yards or arenas to large open fields working sheep, goats, cattle, or ducks.[14]

Show Kelpies are restricted to solid colours (black, chocolate, red, smoky blue, fawn, black and tan, red and tan) in a short double coat with pricked ears. It was during the early 20th century that Kelpies were first exhibited, at the Sydney Royal Easter Show.[14] Different kennel clubs'[citation needed] breed standards have preferences for certain colours. Show Kelpies are generally heavier and shorter than working Kelpies.

The ancestors of the Kelpie were simply (black) dogs, called Colleys or Collies. The word "collie" has the same root as "coal" and "collier (ship)".[15][16] Some of these collies were imported to Australia for stock work in the early 19th century, and were bred to other types of dogs (possibly including the occasional Dingo), but always with an eye to working sheep without direct supervision. Today's Collie breeds were not formed until about ten or 15 years after the Kelpie was established as a breed,[17] with the first official Border Collie not brought to Australia until after Federation in 1901.[18]

Kelpies are partly descended from Dingos, with 3-4% of their genes coming from the native Australian Dog.[19] At the time of the origin of the breed, it was illegal to keep dingoes as pets, some dingo owners registered their animals as Kelpies or Kelpie crosses. Kelpies and dingoes are similar in conformation and colouring. There is no doubt that some people have deliberately mated dingoes to their Kelpies, and some opinion holds that the best dilution is 1/16–1/32, but that 1/2 and 1/4 will work.[20] As the Dingo has been regarded as a savage sheep-killer since the first European settlement of Australia, few will admit to the practice.[20]

The first "Kelpie" was a black and tan female pup with floppy ears bought by Jack Gleeson about 1872[21] from a litter born on Warrock Station near Casterton, owned by George Robertson, a Scot. This dog was named kelpie after the mythological shape shifting water spirit of Celtic folklore.[22] Legend has it that "Kelpie" was sired by a dingo, but there is little evidence for or against this. In later years she was referred to as "(Gleeson's) Kelpie", to differentiate her from "(King's) Kelpie", her daughter.

The second "Kelpie" was "(King's) Kelpie", another black and tan bitch out of "Kelpie" by "Caesar", a pup from two sheep-dogs imported from Scotland. Again, there are legends that these two sheep-dogs may never have seen Scotland, and may have had dingo blood. "(King's) Kelpie" tied the prestigious Forbes Trial in 1879,[23] and the strain was soon popularly referred to as "Kelpie's pups", or just Kelpies. The King brothers joined another breeder, McLeod, to form a dog breeding partnership whose dogs dominated trials during 1900 to 1920.[21]

An early Kelpie, Sally was mated to Moss a smooth haired Collie and she produced a black pup that was named Barb after the black horse, The Barb who won the Melbourne Cup in 1866. This then was how black Kelpies became known as Barb Kelpies.[14]

There were a number of Kelpies called 'Red Cloud'. The first and most famous was John Quinn's Red Cloud in the early 20th century, and then in the 1960s another "Red Cloud" that became very well known in Western Australia. This started the tradition in Western Australia of calling all red or red and tan Kelpies, especially those with white chests, Red Cloud Kelpies.[24]

Kelpies have now been exported to many countries including Argentina, Canada, Italy, Korea, New Caledonia, New Zealand, Sweden, the United Kingdom and the United States for various pursuits.[14]
Kelpie circa 1915

Recently Kelpies have been trained as scent dogs with good success rates. In Sweden they are widely used for tracking and rescue work.[14]

The Australian legend Red Dog died November 21, 1979. A movie based on this story was made in 2011.

Australian Koolie (Coolie) (German Coolie)(Rumored Dingo Ancestry)

The Koolie is one of the oldest breeds of working dog in Australia, but unfortunately no records have been kept of the breed’s beginnings. However, most long time Koolie breeders believe that the early descendent of the breed was the long coated Highland Blue Merle sheep dog. This dog originated from Saxony and was used by the early Scottish and English shepherds. Most of the early breeds of Collie, including the Irish and Scotch Collie and the Shetland Sheepdog originated from Saxony. These Blue Merle’s were then bred to the Smithfield, a black and white or liver and white sheepdog. Smithfield’s came from the British Isles and were first bought to Tasmania. Smithfield’s also had a long coat but it was wiry and tough. This crossing produced a dog that was compact, resilient, and hardworking.

The breed has also been called the German Koolie or Coolie although the breed does not originate from Germany. Early German settlers who came to Australia used the Koolies to work their stock, so their dogs were called the German’s Koolies. Others think, because of the similarity to the Collie, this was the name the breed was given but this information cannot be verified either. German language does not have a ‘C’ in it so the name German Coolie is a misnomer.

Around the mid 1800s, a Koolie had an accidental mating with a Dingo, Australia’s wild dog. This produced an exceptional work dog, which had a shorter coat and was more suited to the hotter conditions in some parts of Australia. This was when the breed started to take off and in later years the Koolie also influenced the development of the Australian Kelpie and also the Australian Cattle-dog or Blue Heeler.

In Australia at that time Asians had immigrated to Australia and used to work for the early settlers. They were noted for the fact that the fact that they worked long and hard every day, often for low wages. They were called Coolies and so the hardworking Koolies were named after them.

Recently the C was changed to K to avoid confusion with the word Collie.

The breed has never been registered, as in Australia; breed and stud records must be kept for a minimum of 7 generations before the National Kennel Council can recognize it. Koolies were bred for working ability, temperament and endurance, not for looks or type so no records were kept, and a standard was not adhered to. Also, an outside breed with good working ability was probably crossed into the line.

Koolies were bred to produce a certain type depending on what work was required. Some stockowners wanted a dog to work in sheep and cattle trucks so a shorter legged type was developed. For long days mustering a longer legged rangier type was needed. And for a full days yard work, a tough pushy type with good bark was preferred.

Koolies come in a variety of colors, including solid colors like black, brown grey or red, usually with white points to a varying degree, although there are dogs which are a solid color all over. The breed is mostly known for their merle coloring, which can be a blue, red or tri color. Eyes are blue, brown, black or yellow or can be blue or wall eyed or even mixed.

Ears are pricked, semi pricked or dropped. Coats are short to medium and there are some with long coats but this is not very common nowadays. Some have coats that are quite rough or coarse in texture and some have a smooth coat.

Size ranges from about 45cm to 65 cm but there are exceptions to this with some Koolies being bigger or smaller.

They have a fairly long lifespan, about 15 years or more and seem to have few health problems, often still keen to work hard well into their teens.

There have been some instances of deaf and blind pups being born and although this is not a common problem now it has been in the past. It generally occurs if Koolies with two wall-eyes or with a lot of white around the head or ears are bred together, something which also happens to other breeds of white animals including horses and cats. It has been called the Double Merle effect, which results from breeding a merle from merle parents to another merle. Experienced breeders would now only breed their merles to dark or solid colors or to merles with predominantly dark colors to avoid this problem.

The breed has become more popular recently and it was a concern that people wanting a Koolie would develop a certain standard and breed Koolies for showing or looks so in 2004 a Working Koolie association was formed to preserve the breed as a working dog.

Dogs will be accepted into the registry for they’re own working ability or if both parents have good working ability. Assessment trials will be held in all states of Australia so only those that show good instinct will be able to be registered.

Also their athletic ability and endurance is an important asset for the breed and must also be preserved, along with their good temperament.

Although they are used in various other sports such as agility, flyball etc, as work dogs they do excel. This is what they were bred for and what they do best. In fact finding the stop button can be a problem in the early days of training. They generally respond to firm gentle handling, but at times their enthusiasm and excitability are hard to quell. They can become attached to one person and like to stick with that person but due to their keenness to work will commonly work for anyone.

They are good-natured and great with children but can be boisterous with younger children. They are a high-energy dog and do require adequate exercise and stimulation. They are friendly, fun loving and like a lot of attention. They will also chase or herd anything, so can be a problem with chickens or other livestock if they are not suitably occupied. They are equally as good with sheep or cattle and will work other animals such like goats just as well. In the paddock they can gather in a big mob as well as any breed and seem to balance naturally. In the yard they have plenty of push and will usually happily run along the backs of livestock and have no qualms about hopping down into the yard and running through the legs of the stock. As with any breed of working dog some types excel at yard work and some in the paddock, whereas some are good allrounders.

Getting the Koolie to stop for a rest can be a problem as working is their ultimate reward and they do not want to quit. While there is work to be done they want to be a part of it. Because of this it can be easy to over work them when young, so it is important to take them slowly and give them plenty of free running and play instead of constant work. Most Koolie owners say they would work till they literally collapse and this keenness’ is what stockowners like about them.

They do have some eye but usually not very much. Koolies are free moving and active dogs who like to get going and gets things done. Some are quite good barkers and some hardly bark at all, or have more of a yip or a yodel.

Although the Koolie has been around for a long time the breed is not as well known as other working breeds, probably because there were so many different types of Koolies around and the breed was not registered.

It is hoped that the Working Koolie Association will bring forth worthy members of the breed and Koolies will be recognized for what they are, a hardworking intelligent and faithful working dog.

Article by Nan Lloyd.

Western Australia.

Blue Lacy (Lacy) (Rumored Coyote and/or Red or Gray Wolf Ancestry)

The Lacy Dog or Blue Lacy Dog[1] is a breed of working dog that originated in Texas in the mid-19th century.[2] The Lacy was first recognized in 2001 by the Texas Senate. In Senate Resolution No. 436, the 77th Legislature honored the Lacy as "a true Texas breed". In June 2005, Governor Rick Perry signed the legislation adopting the Blue Lacy as "the official State Dog Breed of Texas".[2] As expected, the vast majority of Lacy dogs are found in Texas. However, as the breed becomes more well recognized, there are breeding populations being established across the United States, Canada, and most recently in Europe.

Though they are often called "blue" Lacys, there are three permissible color varieties of the Lacy. "Blues" are any shade of gray from light silver to dark charcoal. "Reds" range from light cream to rust. The "Tri" combines a blue base with distinct red markings as appropriate for trim, and white which may appear on the brisket and stretch from chin to groin. White may also be present on one or more paws. Excessive white is discouraged, and markings on the face or above mid-line are a disqualifying fault. Their eyes are sharp and alert, ranging in color from bright yellow to rich amber.[1]

Blue Lacy Dogs in general are intelligent, intense, active, and alert. Developed to be both hunting and herding dogs, they display great drive and determination to work with big game and control difficult livestock. Young dogs may have too much energy and drive for small children. They are easy to train, learning new skills quickly.

The Lacy is a working breed, and does much better when given a job, which allows them to burn off excessive energy. Work they excel at includes herding livestock,[3] blood trailing or tracking,[4] treeing game, running trap lines,[5] and hunting wild hogs.[6] Modern activities like agility that stress intelligence, passion, speed and nimbleness may be appropriate substitutes for traditional work.[7] Herding instincts and trainability can be measured at noncompetitive herding tests. Lacys generally exhibit herding instincts, and can be trained to compete in stock dog trials, or hog bays.[8] During recent years, Lacy dogs have also become recognized for their great tracking skills, and sought after to be used to locate "lost" game animals.

Lacys are generally very healthy dogs. Developed for generations to meet the requirements of ranchers and hunters, they are sturdy enough to withstand tough terrain, difficult working conditions, and both hot and cold weather by Texan standards. However, skin problems and food allergies can occur. Color dilution alopecia is very rare but has occurred in Lacys.[9]

The Lacy dog was named after the Lacy brothers (Frank, George, Edwin, and Harry Lacy) who moved from Kentucky to Texas in 1858, settling in Burnet County, Texas.[2] The dog, according to the Lacy family, was a mixture of English Shepherd (or perhaps coyote), greyhound, and wolf.[10] Texas House Concurrent Resolution No. 108 also mentions scenthound.[2] The brothers originally developed the dogs' natural herding instincts to work the family's free-roaming hogs.[11]

On March 15, 2005, in the 79th Legislature of the State of Texas, Representative Joaquin Castro at the request of the Texas Lacy Game Dog Association filed House Concurrent Resolution No. 108, proposing the blue Lacy as state dog of Texas. This legislation was proposed to recognize the original breeders and their contribution to the State of Texas as well as to honor the Lacy as a Texas original. House Concurrent Resolution No. 108 was adopted by the Texas House of Representatives on May 15, 2005, and by the Senate ten days later on May 25, 2005. Governor Rick Perry signed the legislation adopting the Lacy as "the official State Dog Breed of Texas" on June 18, 2005.[2]

The Lacy was proposed by some in 2008 to replace Reveille VII, a collie, as the mascot dog of Texas A&M.[12] In accordance with tradition since Reveille III, however, a collie was chosen.

Source: Wikipedia

Having nothing to do with the characteristics the dogs have, the name is that of the Lacy Family. Arriving from Kentucky by covered wagon in 1858 the "Lacy Brothers" (Frank, George, Ewin, and Harry Lacy) settled in the granite hills near Marble Falls, Texas. As true a pioneer as the men you see in history books, the Blue Lacy Game Dog has filled the needs of Colonial Americans for well over a century on ranches in the Southwestern US. When the three-wheeled horse hit the trail it brought this unique breed unsuccessfully close to extinction. While the need for its instinctive herding abilities were diminishing the need for its abilities to bay the fiercest of hog, pick up the trail of any game animal or find a wounded animal on the slightest of blood trails was on the rise in the commercial hunting industry. They are now the most common breed used by the United States Trappers. Blue Lacy owner's claim they are the perfect all-around dog, knowing where to be at just the right time. The Lacy family history notes the breed to be the result of Greyhound/ scent hound/ coyote cross with the emphasis on the herding/ droving characteristics. Many people have their theory on the scent hound used. Some believe it was a Red Bone Hound, or Italian Gray Hound, others believe it was a July Hound. What ever the Hound in the combination is the cross worked. The Lacy brothers established this breed under the guidelines it takes to develop a recognized breed.

Source: ... e-lacy.htm

The founders of the breed are stated to have used a wolf x hounddog mix in the foundation of the breed. There is some speculation that the "wolf" the dog had been mixed with may have actually been a coyote (which historically used to be called Prairie Wolves) or possibly even a Red Wolf (Canis rufus), rather than the Gray Wolf (Canis lupus), as red wolves were historically common in Texas, even though they are now critically endangered worldwide and completely extinct in Texas.

(Phew, finally finished this guide. *wipes sweat off forehead. )

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Topic starter Posted : June 4, 2016 6:58 pm
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More dogs added in the post above. XD

@Ash: Well, many of these foundation dogs were not known about until the founder of the breed Blustag was revealed to have been
practicing bad breeding practices like breeding dogs too young to breed or dogs that produced offspring with epilepsy more than
once, ect. Then, they had the DNA test with the wolf content and found out that she had been lying about that too and that's
when they discovered the true names and identifies of some of the foundation dogs as some fake names/dogs had been invented in
the registry to cover up some of these real foundation dogs. I could be wrong but I believe that's why Valko/White Fang has two
names. I think Valko was his fake name, but then his true identity was discovered as White Fang. Needless to say, now the breeder has been kicked out of her own registry and the other committee members have taken over the development and governing of the breed. The founder and a few followers, who either don't care or don't believe the evidence, have started up a seperate "fake" registry site that even has its own forum like the real registry site though, that people should be aware of.

I like Blue Bays and Alaskan Nobles too. I definitely want a Blue Bay one day, but I doubt I'll ever end up with any breed that rare.
I'll probably just end up getting a common wolfy-looking bred like a malamute or siberian husky. As for the Alaskan Noble Companion,
I want one too, but the fact that the breeder might be lying about wolf content is a put-off for me, same as with some of the other
breeds with rumored content, like the American Indian Dogs, being rumored to be part coyote. It doesn't bother me that the dogs
have wolf or coyote in them (if they do), but that, if that's the case, that the breeders aren't honest about it. I did also want a Native American Indian Dog, but along with the claims of the breeder lying about wolf content, while looking up the rumors about American Indian Dogs, I found someone claiming the breeder of the Native American Indian Dogs used to sell wolfdogs, but then they became illegal in her state. So, she supposedly shot all her high content wolfdogs and then keep the low content wolfdogs, renamed them to Native American Indian Dogs to hide the wolf content, and then inbred the low contents together so they would look more doglike and she would still be able to sell them. I don't know if what the person said is true or not though, and I really, really hope it isn't because I'd hate to think that somebody would shoot their own animals, even if they were made illegal.

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Topic starter Posted : June 4, 2016 7:20 pm
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I thought I'd add for the Japanese breeds.

The Kishu has been found, through genetic testing, to share the most unique alleles in common with the extinct Honshu wolf - though no one ever brings them up as a "wolfdog" or a "wolflife dog" - probably because of the white-coated dogs being the most common. There were three different studies that screened Kishu samples to compare with the Honshu wolves (along with the other Japanese breeds and select western breeds.) I used to have them all saved, but I'd have to dig them out now.

I think these were two of them, though:

The Shikoku, on the other hand, has the misnomer of "Japanese Wolfdog", which is addressed on the Nihon Ken Blog...

Posted : July 19, 2016 10:22 pm
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I never knew the Kishu was related to the Honshu wolf or that they could come in colors other than white. That's very interesting. Thanks for the info. ^^

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Topic starter Posted : July 20, 2016 10:11 pm
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Yeah! I suspect that the Shikoku has a similar story as the Kishu, as they are the closest relative to the Kishu, breed-wise, but it just didn't show up in the Honshu wolf studies. The folklore of the Kii mountains tells of hunters being gifted with wolf pups as hunting dogs, and I think they have similar stories on Shikoku Island. But it's so long ago that it really doesn't matter too much for either breed.

The only other breesd I know of that isn't listed here is the Korean breed, the Bul Gae. They're bred by a man who breeds wolves, wolfdogs, and his Bul Gae using native Korean breeds/types and the wolfdogs. They're really handsome little dogs. His wolfdogs are, too.

Also, the Central Asian Shepherd, which in some areas in their countries of origin, have proven gene flow with the local wolves.

Posted : July 21, 2016 3:45 pm
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I've heard of the Central Asian Shepherd, but didn't know they were part wolf (or atleast some of them are). Thanks for that info. ^^

Never heard of the Bul Gae before. They look gorgeous. Wish we had some in the states or could get some imported. There's no information I can find on the breed on any English sites when I google the breed.

Do you live in Korea or Japan?

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Topic starter Posted : July 22, 2016 9:58 pm
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I've heard of the Central Asian Shepherd, but didn't know they were part wolf (or atleast some of them are). Thanks for that info. ^^

A recent scholarly article detailed a bit of the information on the geneflow between the shepherd dogs and wolves in Georgia (the country) - came out last year or the year before, I believe. Turkish Shepherds are also believed to have some geneflow, in the country of origin.

Never heard of the Bul Gae before. They look gorgeous. Wish we had some in the states or could get some imported. There's no information I can find on the breed on any English sites when I google the breed.

Do you live in Korea or Japan?

Bulgae are a rare breed, nearly "extinct" in Korea, so I'd never heard of them, either. It was totally accidental that I stumbled across them. One of the large kennels that breeds them in South Korea is also a wolf/wolfdog breeder who breeds wolfdogs with mixes that we would think unusual in the USA. I am US-based, but my interest in Japanese dogs and dogs in general has me dumpster diving through the internet all the time. I'm somewhat proficient in Japanese, but found the Korean breeder's site and just tripped through it with translation services and a Korean friend's help in understanding it.

Posted : August 4, 2016 2:33 am
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